Part 91 SIC C550 Is this good chance?

[sky4]

Tell them you will take the job for $30K for first and renegotiate after that.

 

[ekuflyer]

I would seriously question that supposed insurance premium increase due to your low time. Most policies only look at the PIC qualifications. Our 560 policy doesn't even have a min time for the SIC. We can use anyone that has a license, medical, current inst rating and RVSM training (if we're going up there).

Don't tell the feds you can use just anyone.

61.55 Second-in-command qualifications.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may serve as a second-in-command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second-in-command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:
(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested—
(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.
(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.
(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.
(iv) Flight manual.
(v) Placards and markings.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes—
(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;
(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and
(iii) Crew resource management training.

 

[siucavflight]

I dont understand, why do you need an SIC type? Are you staying in the states? If so you do not need one, if you have a multi engine commercial certificate you should be able to fly all of the 91 trips SIC without any training at all(but you should get some).

 

[Peter Brady]

Imagine if you did pay all this money for this job, then 6 months later the company decided to get rid of their aircraft. Or maybe they decided to reduce their staff? You could be out of a job, be out of $20k, and still be considered a low time pilot with a type rating with very little experience in the aircraft. Just a thought.

 

[ekuflyer]

I dont understand, why do you need an SIC type? Are you staying in the states? If so you do not need one, if you have a multi engine commercial certificate you should be able to fly all of the 91 trips SIC without any training at all(but you should get some).

Reference above post. According to 61.55 you do need some training to act as a SIC, the SIC type is just paperwork and not required to fly domestic.

 

[Vne0]

If they are sincere in their "situation" with training cost and insurance, wouldn't they just offer you $30,000 the first year, or until they amortize the insurance and training cost?

 

[FlyMeSWA]

Just got my SIC Type a couple of months ago, didnt pay a dime and only got the Type w/ SIC priv because we fly to Canada/Carribean. Sounds like they're trying to hose you on this deal. I had under 1000hrs and didnt pay a dime in training for class or hotel/food, plus got paid while I was down there. It was the only way I'd agree to go to an initial program and give a verbal 1 yr deal for it. The only good side to this is, 50K is a pretty good deal if you can get that in writing.

 

[honda600]

Thank you guys,

After several talks, I told him "thank you but no thanks." Yes, I am low total time pilot but I can not see the reason to pay extra $6000 to fly C550. I know it is beatiful one. Also he said because of my total time, before I fly it as SIC the insurance requires PIC initial type with D sim school. Well, I never heard these things,,,,,,,,,,,my ERAU class mates fly C560, C500 and C550 without PIC initial type with much less total time. No thanks.

I learned several things from the guy. I am glad that I did not pay anything, still have flying job!! So I am flying 152, 172 and twins again!!!

 

[cheyflyer]

If they were willing to pay you 50K and them seem like an ok company, why not negotiate a 2 year deal. They send you to training, pay all cost and you accept 30K the first year. When 1/2 of your commitment is paid up after 1st year they bump you up to 40K. At end of 2 years you go up to 50K. By that time you should have enough time to transition to left seat.

I wouldnt give up yet. Right seat in a 550 for 30K has to beat instructing any day.

cf

 

[honda600]

Hi,

Oh yeah, C550 SIC will be super sweet for me. However, I do not have insurance $6000 plus FSI initial PIC type which will be $18K. Also when I talked with the guy, I could see who I talk to,,,,,,,I felt very uncomfortable to spend time next few years. The guy is cheap. I could not see he would fly the C550 next few years. Maybe I am wrong. I hope he will find good SIC.

I have 1800TT with 165 twin. I need to learn more day after day. I will keep looking and flying.

 

[AMDFlyer]

what part of the country are you in?

By the way good choice not to pay all that money for no security in return, and 50.000 to fly a C500 series is not realistic.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Hi,

Oh yeah, C550 SIC will be super sweet for me. However, I do not have insurance $6000 plus FSI initial PIC type which will be $18K. Also when I talked with the guy, I could see who I talk to,,,,,,,I felt very uncomfortable to spend time next few years. The guy is cheap. I could not see he would fly the C550 next few years. Maybe I am wrong. I hope he will find good SIC.

I have 1800TT with 165 twin. I need to learn more day after day. I will keep looking and flying.

If the owner is that much of a cheap azz dirt ball. Karma should dictate that he hires the first chump that will send him to a smoking hole in the ground.
Believe me owners like that aren't worth working for at any price.

 

[stingray]

Tell them to stick it.

 

[ROSWELL41]

You need to satisfy the 61.55 reqs to fly as SIC in a two pilot aircraft with passengers or cargo. Repo or maintenance flights are a different story.

 

[CopilotDoug]

There's alot of this going around, in the Chicagoi land area and outfit was offering a Beech 400 SIC position at $18,000/yr. When asked about the low pay, the owner said that airlines can get pilots to fly RJs for the same amount. I hope no one took his offer