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Part 141 is an approved training program basically.
They submit a "syllabus" to the feds, the feds approve it, they have X amount of time to keep the pass rate up...
Just a different way to go.
For example, to do it all Pt 61 (From PPL-CFI/II) you'd need at LEAST 250TT. Probably more like at LEAST 260TT once you finish the CFII ride.
The school here has sent people from 0 time to CFII in about 6 months (so they say...I've been doing my Commercial single for that long, so...take that with a grain of salt) and less than 190 hours.
Is it better? It can be.
Does it make better pilots? I've seen some real douchebags leave the program with their tickets, but I've seen some guys that could really fly and really knew their stuff.
I think it's bobbysamd that is big on 141 stuff vs. 61 stuff. Someone will be able to clarify more probably.
My experience is it isn't the part you train under, it's the instructor providing the training. My PVT CFI and my CSE CFI (at least for the -RG portion) were phenomenal. For the IR and CSE (152 portion) were okay...but not super. Also, the guy that does ground schools here is AMAZING. He's got some good stories, but he's got some experience to back it up too.
Hope that helps
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They submit a "syllabus" to the feds, the feds approve it, they have X amount of time to keep the pass rate up...
Just a different way to go.
For example, to do it all Pt 61 (From PPL-CFI/II) you'd need at LEAST 250TT. Probably more like at LEAST 260TT once you finish the CFII ride.
The school here has sent people from 0 time to CFII in about 6 months (so they say...I've been doing my Commercial single for that long, so...take that with a grain of salt) and less than 190 hours.
Is it better? It can be.
Does it make better pilots? I've seen some real douchebags leave the program with their tickets, but I've seen some guys that could really fly and really knew their stuff.
I think it's bobbysamd that is big on 141 stuff vs. 61 stuff. Someone will be able to clarify more probably.
My experience is it isn't the part you train under, it's the instructor providing the training. My PVT CFI and my CSE CFI (at least for the -RG portion) were phenomenal. For the IR and CSE (152 portion) were okay...but not super. Also, the guy that does ground schools here is AMAZING. He's got some good stories, but he's got some experience to back it up too.
Hope that helps
-mini
gkrangers said:
Nothing wrong with that. The checkride itself is under Pt 61, so why not check out 61, 43, 91, 21, maybe 23, 71, stuff like that. If he trained under 61, looking at the 141 stuff might just be confusing...especially to a Student pilot...
Oh yeah...another bonus of some 141 schools is "self examining authority"
All that means, is they do the check rides. If you fail it...you still don't really fail it... Not that it matters, but some people are big on "no pink slips"...
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afirmativo, mi lisencia la saque en guatemala pero ahora vivo en pittsburgh mucho gusto , cualquier cosa estoy a tu servicio, y a ver si no nos dicen algo ya que no se si se puede hablar español, pero no importa.
however OACI or ICAO is for all latinamerica central south caribean and mexico.and others, all International
however OACI or ICAO is for all latinamerica central south caribean and mexico.and others, all International
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Pues, que bueno. Voy a Pittsburg el 24 del mes proximo para asistir un curso en FlightSafety. ?Quisas podemos comer un poco de cena una noche?comander said:afirmativo, mi lisencia la saque en guatemala pero ahora vivo en pittsburgh mucho gusto , cualquier cosa estoy a tu servicio, y a ver si no nos dicen algo ya que no se si se puede hablar español, pero no importa.
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minitour said:
It should be added that not all 141 schools have self examining authority. A school would have to meet certain requirements (I believe its 90% pass rate or something like that).
And as for a school that takes a student from 0 time to CFII in 6 months, I don't believe it, and if it is true, than I would have to say that those must be extreme cases.
Edit: I just realized that minitour said "some 141 schools," sorry about that...
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Like I said...sopdan said:
minitour said:
Well...I don't believe it either, after being in the CSE program for 4+ months. But I did fly with a guy here that went from 0 time to CFII in 6 months. It's possible under their syllabus...you just have to get them to do it for you.sopdan said:
You can (again...getting them to do it is another thing) do the Private, then Instrument/Commercial training at the same time (just take the IR ride before the CPL). Then you double up the CFII and CMEL and add on the CFI. If you can get through the private in 6-8 weeks, it's doable.
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Part 141
14 CFR 141 is the section of the FARs which deals with approved flight schools. These regs establish requirements for the training course, instructors, chief flight instructors, facilities, flight tests and certificate issuance. As was written above, an entity wanting to establish as an FAA-approved flight school must submit its training course to the FAA for approval and maintain a certain pass rate to retain its certification. Compare with 14 CFR 61, which sets forth pilot certification requirements and only requires that you have a flight instructor to train you.
Discussions on the pros and cons of Part 61 training versus Part 141 training can be found elsewhere on the board if you run a search.
Hope that helps some more.
No hablo mucho espanol; yo escribe in ingles.comander said:What does this mean ?thanks.
14 CFR 141 is the section of the FARs which deals with approved flight schools. These regs establish requirements for the training course, instructors, chief flight instructors, facilities, flight tests and certificate issuance. As was written above, an entity wanting to establish as an FAA-approved flight school must submit its training course to the FAA for approval and maintain a certain pass rate to retain its certification. Compare with 14 CFR 61, which sets forth pilot certification requirements and only requires that you have a flight instructor to train you.
Discussions on the pros and cons of Part 61 training versus Part 141 training can be found elsewhere on the board if you run a search.
Hope that helps some more.
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Accelerated training
When I was at FSI, students routinely completed the Commercial-Multi-Instrument course in six months. I recall it taking my CFI students another six to eight weeks to earn their initial CFI.
The reason why these programs can train you so quickly is because you're training constantly. On the other hand, especially in a 90-day program, you are asked to absorb a lot of new and unfamiliar learning in a very short time. While I like Part 141 because of the discipline a school environment imposes, and because you can learn more, better and faster, and maybe cheaper under such discipline, it is debatable if drinking from a firehose is wise in the long run. You can lose your learning as quickly as you obtained it if you don't put it use immediately.
Well, you do have All-ATPs, which purportedly takes you through all ratings to MEI in 90 days!sopdan said:
When I was at FSI, students routinely completed the Commercial-Multi-Instrument course in six months. I recall it taking my CFI students another six to eight weeks to earn their initial CFI.
The reason why these programs can train you so quickly is because you're training constantly. On the other hand, especially in a 90-day program, you are asked to absorb a lot of new and unfamiliar learning in a very short time. While I like Part 141 because of the discipline a school environment imposes, and because you can learn more, better and faster, and maybe cheaper under such discipline, it is debatable if drinking from a firehose is wise in the long run. You can lose your learning as quickly as you obtained it if you don't put it use immediately.
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