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Also, a lot of the check flying is point-to-point between small GA airports. Last time I checked, FedEx doesn't fly between Rocky Mount, NC, and Rock Hill, SC.

Places like FedEx and UPS fly the schedule and routes that benefits them the best, while we fly the schedules and routes that best benefit the banks.
 
Maybe this point has been brought up before, but if the amount of check flying goes down, that would mesh with the aging fleet of piston twins.

As airplanes slowly wear out and are (tragically) crashed, where are the future check planes? Those aztecs and 310's won't last forever.

Anyone have insight on this ques.?
 
As a replacement for Pistons Caravans are hard to beat, they make more sense for Airnet as per their last Q filing and the FedEx and UPS outfits have been using them for years.
Labquest uses PC-12's
 
LabCorp uses the Skylab callsign and flies Chieftains and I think a Citation.

Quest Diagnostics uses the Labquest callsign and flies TBM700s and C-310s.
 
My Bad... PC-12, TBM, Caravan, you can have them, the single engine thing kept me away. Gimme a good old 310 or Baron any day. *Bracing for flack* It's too bad the Caravans and TBM/PC'12 have a lower DOC per lb. because I would imagine we'll see less of the twins.



And it's labquest, I hear them on 127.6 and going into TEB every now and then.
 
icefr8dawg said:
It's too bad the Caravans and TBM/PC'12 have a lower DOC per lb. because I would imagine we'll see less of the twins.

you know whats funny...the baron operator i used to fly for charged the exact same per mile as the caravan operator i did contract work for shortly thereafter.

when i left the Baron job, he picked up a route that took off and went to the HOU at the same time i did in the van. some days hed beat me and some days id beat him...the two are very comparable ;)
 
oh yea, and heres the response the the yahoos that think its all gonna *poof* away one night...

Aviation International News Jan2004

Check 21 law not likely to affect check haulers

by Mark Phelps

What does Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan have to do with the market value of Mitsubishi MU-2s?

Late last year, flying overnight check runs (long recognized as one of the ideal turbine-time builders for budding professional pilots) appeared poised to fall victim to the digital age. Legislation known as “Check 21” became law, clearing the way for banks to cancel checks electronically through the “Fed” without transporting the actual paper. A monumental time and cost saver for the banking industry, the new law will go into effect in October.

But what about all those pilots and companies who have been making their living from flying checks overnight? Turbine Air Services (TAS), which supports the Mitsubishi MU-2 under contract with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, recognizes the speedy turboprop twin as one of the mainstays in the overnight check-flying market. Some 25 percent of the MU-2 fleet is involved in flying under contracts with the Federal Reserve, according to Pat Cannon, vice president of TAS. If that market were to disappear overnight come October, the market value of the 413 MU-2s in operation could plummet since a quarter of the fleet would find itself out of a job–not to mention the pilots who would be forced to look for other work.

Even National Public Radio expressed concern for the potentially lost jobs with a report aired on its Evening Edition news program the day President Bush signed the Check 21 legislation into law. (One unsympathetic listener subsequently wrote to the network complaining that mourning the loss of such jobs was comparable to feeling bad that the telegraph had put pony express riders on the dole.)

But apparently, the midnight riders actually have little to fear from Check 21 through the next decade. Cannon told AIN that key operators supported by TAS report they have received no indications from the Federal Reserve that its contract flying requirements would diminish for at least 10 years. Among the Check 21 law’s provisions, the nation’s check writers have the option of continuing to receive their canceled checks back in the mail if they so desire. It seems the Federal Reserve now anticipates that plenty of Americans will still want their actual checks back (rather than photocopies). Also, there are enough other sorts of time-critical paper transactions to keep the overnight freighters full for the foreseeable future.

Still, one check-flying company is hedging its bets. AirNet Systems of Columbus, Ohio, operates more than 120 aircraft. AirNet announced last month that it has branched out, creating a new subsidiary called Fast Forward Solutions. The subsidiary’s focus will be “the sale of newly developed payment solutions to financial institutions [using] software technology…image platforms and opportunities resulting from the enactment of Check 21.” In other words, AirNet is using its Rolodex of financial-institution customers to move into the digital check-processing business–kind of like a pony express rider keeping his horse saddled, but also learning how to operate a telegraph key.
 
ShadowFlight said:
From what I've heard from sources in the know, the bill may go into effect October 2004 but check runs won't disappear immediately. Some banks are not up to speed with the technology required to eliminate the need for check runs. I would venture that it will be a couple of years before there are drastic changes.

Hey guys:
Read the law! Don't rely on company websites. Read the actual letter of the LAW. It is a law after all. And by the way, banks are REQUIRED to comply by October 24, 2004. Read the actual letter of the LAW It is not voluntary. Bank Of America will be 100% electronic by June 01.
Ask these geniuses at Airnet why their company is selling/outfitting ALL of their banking customers with the software and means to facilitate Check-21? Why would Airnet do that if check-flyings' end were "years" away?
Bottom line is this: Check flying is coming to an end. By November of this year...don't be one of the stooges who'll look around and ask "how did this happen?".
Be fair to yourself and READ THE ACTUAL LAW. Just do a search under "Check-21" or "H.R. 1474" and pay particular attention to the last paragraph of the LAW: ...that ALL banks MUST be in FULL COMPLIANCE within 12 months of the bill being signed into LAW. 12 months are up October 24, 2004.

And here is the PIVOTAL POINT of this: SUBSTITUTE CHECKS. Any bank will have the ability to print-out a substitue check if you demand to see a paper copy of the check you've written.

The SUBSTITUTE CHECK provision and the LAST PARAGRAPH of this LAW are the reasons check flying WILL END this year.

There is still plenty of time to build time if you are so qualified and inclined. And stop listening to the uninformed starcheck pilots who mistake company gossip for facts.

Get the facts and the facts will show I am right.

Good luck.
 
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capn, capn, capn....how misinformed one can be!


I have done the research, and anyone that thinks this will kill the check haulers is just wrong. Your research should begin on the Federal Reserve website (after all, the ruling starts with them) and you will see their definition of this "law." As stated by the Fed, the law only allows banks the right to use electronic imaging, it does in NO WAY say they must comply... it is a completely voluntary program. ONCE AGAIN... the law only gives them the right and ability to use this new process, it does not say they must do it.

Go back and research again before trying to scare people.
 
labbats said:
Upndsky well put.

Enough chicken littles and skies falling for a bit, please. A bill passing in congress doesn't instantly translate into action by the parties affected.

It did for the banner tow people.
 
starchkr is deluded.

starchkr has not read the law. Quoting "facts" from a Fed Reserve "website" is not knowing the law.

starchkr forms an opinion without knowing the facts and therefore has no credibility.

starchkr works for a company that is purposefully phasing-out check flying with it's own banking customers.

starchkr is confused.

To quote Jack Nicholson...starchkr "can't handle the truth".

Still plenty of time to build time flying checks. But check flying will come to an end by November of this year.

Nothing wrong with knowing the facts, knowing the LAW and preparing for a change. (pssst...that's what smart people do)

Don't be like starchkr. Don't be so resistant to change that you blind yourself to the facts of the forthcoming LAW.

When starchkr starts quoting the pivotal points of the LAW: Substitute Check and Compliance within 12 months...you'll know he has been enlightened.

Meanwhile, guys and gals...by all means get out there and build time! I did it for several years and you can too...(until Nov).
 
Once again, alright here we go...



Capn, and all others... let me quote directly from the FED web site and i then will direct you to the check 21 page off of that website.


As stated on the website... "The law does not require banks to accept checks in electronic form nor does it require banks to use the new authority granted by the act to create substitute checks."

Plain and simple... can't get any easier than that!!!!


www.federalreserve.gov/paymentsystems/truncation/default.htm


Now please explain why the fed would publish this if you say they are going to require all banks to go paperless????
 
Getting off the supject here, has anyone read the latest AOPA article about Radio Communications? There was a part about Call signs. Well the article mentioned AirNet (AKA U.S. Check).. the paragraph went something like this... "Wonder what they'll do when the check flying goes away.. will they start calling themselves U.S. Debt." I couldnt believe the paragraph when i read it, had to read it a couple of times.. but it seems like everyones targeted us as doomed! Check out the Article.. its in the AOPA issue with the TBM-700 on it.
 

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