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[Lightning]

As The Sabers Rattle

Wow, look at all of the profanity and spitting going on here!

It does not appear to me that it would take an intellectual genius to comprehend that the 727 Boston Maine Pilots are SCABS. Any Dumb Ass would surely be able to figure that out!


That said, as represented in their previous posts, the 727 Boston Maine Pilots are desperately if not painfully and passionately looking for loopholes to evade their Despised Career Label of SCAB. This is consistently mirrored in the same way that the 727 Boston Maine Pilots employers are looking for loopholes to evade their collective bargaining agreement with the Pan American Pilots.

If I were a SCAB wanna be, I would be exclaiming exactly the same thing.


From what I understand, most if not all Pan American Pilots have acquired aviation jobs. It’s a funny thing….The Pan American Pilots did not have to stab a fellow pilot in the back to obtain employment.



Man, I’m sure glad I don’t Have Boston Maine 727 Pilot on my resume!

 

[CrustyTWAguy]

I am not sure what is going on on this forum, but this level of hostility is not present at Boston-Maine as far as I can see.

I do in fact have BMA 727 pilot on my resume and as far as I can tell, I am the only one thus far who has stated that I am in fact a Boeing pilot for BMA.

If there are Pan Am pilots on this board, then I will be happy to discuss topics, but most of what is being said isn't doing anybody any good. I would find it hard to believe if more than a couple of the people that post on this subject work for either company.

Guilford Transportation has three airlines going. They decided to shut down one. It was the one with the Union. You guys got screwed, it sucks. I know the feeling. You may be pissed at upper management, but the BMA pilots are not scabs.

From what I understand the Pan Am pilots were suppose to merge with the BMA pilots, but the lawsuit that ALPA won the injuction on, specifically states that the Pan Am pilots are an asset and cannot be touched. I would be more pissed about that than anything.

If you think I knew anything about this before I interviewed I didn't. If you think that I would ever cross a picket line I wouldn't.

I am relieved to hear that the pilots were able to find work so quickly.

 

[Lightning]

As The Sabers Rattle

CrustyTWAguy, I respect that you are the one and only pilot who has openly admitted that you are a Boston Maine Pilot. You are the only 727 Boston Maine Pilot who appears to make some semblance of reason.



However, having stated the above CrustyTWAguy, it would never make sense that the Pan American Pilots would consider merging or being absorbed by the Boston Maine Pilots to a non-union carrier. It is completely ludicrous to suggest otherwise. It does however make reasonable sense that the latter above would indeed make sense if it were reversed. Why would I want to merge onto the Boston Maine list?


Any reasonable person could with out a doubt, look at the three airlines (of which one is a small twin prop) and clearly see what the sole owners are now and have been attempting to accomplish, Replace the Union workers with Non-Union workers.



I am now a furloughed Pan American Pilot (forced from my job and replaced by BMA pilots) and as I have been forced to obtain a another aviation job at the bottom of new seniority list and start over, it is extremely difficult for me to swallow that any Boston Maine Pilot is comforted that I have found employment while he has replaced me.



Guilford Transportation has shut down one airline and identically in every way replaced it with another. As Boston Maine Pilots fly around in a jet painted in the exact same colors of Pan American, owned by the same Mgmt and operated out of all the same places, one can be sure that one's fellow aviators in this relatively small business will take note.

This situation is wrong.

 

[727PAA]

Crusty..good to see you back

I am a furloughed Pan Am pilot.

I applaud that you have the guts to stand up and say that you work at BMA. Here are some of the folks that seem to work there too.

N706us. Sure seems to either to be BMA management or one of the pilots that you work with that is "in the know" as he/she posts court decisions before they are public knowledge.

Kyzer Socei. Only posts on messages pertaining to BMA

Capt Robert. Same thing.

Woxof. Same thing.

The issue. ALPA requested this injunction in response to a lawsuit that they filed in federal court. That lawsuit alleges that the Pan Am/BMA/Guilford managment has violated our contract so much as to create a major dispute.

A major dispute is one that in the past would result in strikes etc. and is why the Railway Labor act was brought about. So, the actions of BMA flying aircraft and routes in violation of the RLA is why this is in court in the first place. The RLA is the reason we are in court and weren't on strike on September first.

The only reason you aren't crossing a picket line right now is because the RLA would have considered it a wildcat strike and fined the union.

So while we fight this out in court(instead of the picket line) the BMA pilots are flying charters that should be flown by union pilots.

There was to be no merger of the two pilot groups. They had verbally asked "some" pilots if they would be willing to go to work at BMA, nothing in writing and no mention of seniority etc.

Yes, people are mad..and they have every right to be. I would also say that this fits the definition of being a scab. I would like to see ALPA decide that on a certain date from that point forward if you fly at BMA then you got the title. Then we would see who you can trust.
Just my .02

 

[Airpiraterob]

hopefully someone can come along and eventually....hopefully.....use the PAA name and have some decent respect for it for once. It deserves it.

 

[LooseDiamond]

PAN AM / BMA all the same Bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED **

To all who found out the truth about Guilford Transportation! He is just another asshole! Playing dirty! First of all from the inside, he lied from the start...when hiring his BMA team to start up this brand new company! that smells like **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**! He took his lowest of seniority FA's and made them Management??? They don't know how run a company??? and then hired more dummies for Flight Attendants and FE's . Now he furloughed all of them! Does his idiot really know what to do? I got scammed in from the beginning...but smart enough to get out before the going got bad!! I feel sorry for all the idiots that stayed till now! Same on him to furlough the Pan Am Crews!!! anyone else got something to say???

 

[RoughAir]

My First Post, new to this and learning.

LooseDiamond is correct. Friday jerk Fink and his management laid off several (9?) BMA flight attendants, as well at a bunch of pilots/PFE. Those people were laid off out of seniority as they now have a class in SFB in the sims. Since those at SFB are not on salary, just daily per diem, it was determined to lay off the pilots/FAs/FE that are on salary, even though they had the seniority!

Over the past several weeks, many, many fine people were axed at the PSM and SFB locations: maint, accounting, ground support, tech pubs, you name it.

BMA has one 727 that is flying charters. The second is suppossed to come out of heavy maint soon. Apparently BMA will not restart scheduled service until the ALPA lawsuit that is in the Court of Appeals is decided. They may be prevented from flying the old Pan Am routes permentantly, they may be found in violation of the RLA act and not fly at All! The Jetstreams will continue their thing out of Trenton, etc.

All this info from the inside. These people running the place are scumbags. Just about all of the managment save one or two are the same. They owe money to everyone. The Portsmouth paper last week had the article about the city of Gary, In, suing them for 58K for their Gary operation when they flew it. All of the Jetstream pilots are actively looking to get out! Their Jetstream is a constant training program.

If you come here (and I doubt hiring will resume anytime soon), come here with your eyes wide open. DO NOT FALL for the hype that Mellon/Fink have big pockets and things are on the roll! They are a bunch of thugs. Do a internet search on them.

Besides, anyone with half brains would surely see the folly of buying 24 ex-United 727s and trying to start/build a pax airline with the old three holer! How stupid can that be?

The Portsmouth community knows all about these guys. All vendors that do business with them require cash up front. Their reputation is well known.

Enough for now!!

 

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Anybody that is involved with these people will see the truth eventually.

I wonder if the pilots and PFE’s have training contracts? Do they separation agreements? If they get other jobs and then are recalled do they have to honor the training contracts?

 

[727PAA]

Hey, Where did everybody go??

I was wondering why I hadn't heard from all the guys that have been telling us what a great thing BMA is? I mean did you all get furloughed?

I still haven't been taken up on my offer for beer. I am sincerely sorry for the people that got laid off. It is an awful time for everyones families. The things you need to remember is that it is not ALPA's fault. This is purely on managments head.

If they had just hired you at Pan Am...and the managment spent half of what they spent to get the 727 at BMA on advertising, PAA would be going gangbusters and making them money. They are full of crud when the talk about losing money. The only reason they lose money is because they want to. I guess running one company in the red for five years is about the IRS limit on taking a deduction so they had to shut down and start it all over again.

Hope you guys get somewhere soon. All except 706us who most likely is managment anyway.

 

[LooseDiamond]

Re:bma Lay Offs

You are so right! BMA was so secret about hiring and if you knew to much you were gone! Oh well I don't feel sorry for the people anymore that stayed on and believed there junk! All I can say is BMA Got what it deserved!! Nothing in the end! At least all the management people didnt come out any better!!!! You know how they are! They are full of lies! Tell you what you want to hear..or on your back side they are stabbing you! Last I heard some friends of mine were on a trip for BMA..the next day they find out they were furloughed! and wouldnt be home for a week!! working for nothing..anyway they have this stupid contract that if you get fired or terminated they will pay 1 month salary..That turns out to be bull too!!!
BMA never had any flight benefits..so why would someone that knew the airlines take that job..when they knew better...only dummies took the position believing management will come through!!! OH WEELLLLL

 

[dumpduck1]

I started this thread.

Im just a mechanic who saw the writing on the wall a long time ago. It amazes me that there are still people that think they will reap the benifites if you just hang on. Perhaps they have no other skills or no place to go. Hell, its still a pay check.But when the last shoe drops and the unemployment runs out youll only have your self to blame. We told you this would happen. B. More get a life and your breath stinks.

 

[PSM727]

So are all BMA Boeing crews gone now? How about SFB Pan Am crews? PAWA? Are all the 727's grounded?

 

[Lightning]

As The Sabers Rattle

Have not heard a peep from the MGMT types that post here. I did hear that there is a court hearing on the 19th of this month. If all goes well for the PAA guys there is no telling what the imposter team will be left with. I hope nothing.

 

[RoughAir]

BMA is flying just one plane on charters. About half of the qualified 727 crews including pilots/PFEs/FA have been furloughed. Many mechs and office types also let go. Probably more to go shortly.

Probably they are waiting for the Court of Appeals to rule on the ALPA lawsuit. When that might be have no idea. But if you go on their website to book, no 727 flights are being offered. I don;t think the traveling public in the PSM area will ever have much confidence in them again. I can only imagine how many pax travel plans were disrupted by this Thanksgiving/Xmas shutdown. Many of the SFB maint types were let go also. Pan Am doesn't exist anymore as of Nov 1. All their crews have been terminated/the certificate turned in.

They will get what they deserve

 

[Stall]

Hey Diamond
Great to hear your perspective!
Did they even address what was really going on while you were there? Do you know if anyone asked about the situation? Knowing what type of people run that place you'd surley be fired if you did ask. Hope your flying now, If thats what you want to do.
I heard through the vine..that the expert instructor (you know...The one with the frizzy hair) would come in and scream at the class. Also heard the G-Team (#1 & #2) **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** near cost them the approval by the FAA.
Sounds like a great group. You did the right thing by getting away from those unethical, inexperienced, power hungry morons.

 

[LooseDiamond]

Away From Losers Bma/pan Am

Hey there glad to hear from someone who understands!! This website makes the unwanted feel wanted! I was top of my class and knew too much..ask too many questions..and I heard through the gravevine the senior FAs were told to fail me no matter what! After they told me I did the best job and knew all the codes by heart! Hey they are the loosers! No I am not flying now..but just looking back at what back stabbers they were...
Its funny that they almost didnt get approved!! by the FAA! I use to be in a bigger position and have lots of amunucion with the FAA..Know lots of people up there...if I wanted to I could make trouble for alot of folks!
Why waste my time! They are falling on there own..Big shot manager in flight training just bought a big house with pilot lay off!! Ha Ha out in Port Orange...I guess they will both be on unemployment soon...I dont really have the desire right now to get involved with the airlines...I will keep
trying soon...
LooseDiamond

 

[Neubyfly]

Any new updates on B&M?

 

[hdcl]

Climb to 350 wants BMA 727 Crews?

Someone fill me in to just what is or has happened over at BMA since last Fall?

 

[bafanguy]

I think I've seen some reference to the PAA guys finding other work. What has become of them...were they offered positions at BMA...did they take the job if offered ? This all sounds like a bit of a hornet's nest.

 

[RoughAir]

None of the Pan Am pilots were offered positions at BMA. Some went to Planet in MCO.

BMA may be hiring very soon for the 727. The last class was furloughed in Nov 2004, most in that class have found other jobs or not coming back. On their web site they will start service again in May. Doing charters now. Mgmt won a lawsuit against ALPA a couple of weeks ago in Boston Fed Appeals court.

Very unstable operation. Very crummy mgmt. Do a search on them (Boston Maine). You will find lots of info.

 

[Megadeth]

Heard ALPA was taking it to the Supreme Court. Maybe Fink will get tossed out on his ass.Anyone have new info?