over and out

[LearLove]

Foobar,

Buy a Super Cub instead.

 

[Skybound737]

---A thousand hours isn't quite enough experience to know how to properly close the aircraft entry door, let alone have ground to talk about the effort and price paid. If one isn't willing to go beyond the entry level, then what does it matter if one gives up. At least not much is invested.---

I have a friend who just completed IOE at Mesa with 320 hours of flight time. I can hear the Mesa guys now...."Its a great program! Those guys kick ass!!!" But I can tell you that listening to him say "Holy F"c*ing **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**! I cant wait to fly the 900 and not have any time in it! WTF is this company thinking! 25 hours of IOE over 30 days...great scheduling and insight in training methods! I hope my captain has some time in the plane (900)when landing in DSM with a 20 kts xwind to mins on an icy runway!"

I agree with you dood. One thousand hours isn't a lot. But it's being done and they haven't balled one up yet (not too bad anyway). Hope the Captains are sharp and prevent an accident. As for the regionals and getting it on with this business...yea it sux sometimes and the days of "Catch Me If You Can" are over...I wish you luck in the real world! I would love to do it too sometimes. Just can't get to that point yet. I hope things will turn around in the next 5 years....<sigh>

By the way. I fully encouraged my friend to take advantage of what was offered to him at Mesa. If I was him I would. It sux that things are this way. I've known the guy since 3rd grade! I cant imagine the sense of accomplishment he must feel actually doing what he's doing now in that RJ. He just doesn't understand the other side of the fence and the years some have spent to achieve the same thing. Not his fault that the times have changed. I refuse to be that guy who says that everyone is a sell out for this job. It's business and the unions are not and have not been powerful enough to stop this from happening. It sucks! But I'm still flyin AND payin dues.

First post ...fire away
Good luck with the Cardinal

 

[Skybound737]

Now Freedumb air...thats a different story and a different thread. I cant believe the seniority numbers on that freedumb list. Dont mistake my position please. I would never advise someone to lower MY wage. It had already been lowered due to those guys.

Nuff said...again, good luck with the new plane!

 

[Dash8]

Re: Re: over and out

By golly, he's right. Let's all resign in protest. I'm sure we'll be able to talk all the thousands of starry-eyed students and CFI's in Prescott and Vero Beach and Daytona and Melbourne (and so on and so forth) to ignore those jobs.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

We'll do it tomorrow. C'mon, who's with me?

I'll handle prescott, if someone will foot my tab at the PBC for all those Alpine Wheats i'm gonna drink

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

I guess "linky" is how they say it in the motherland

it's short for linkovsky, you american imperialists!

and all your base are belong to us 0wNz Jo0!

 

[Swass]

Talk about a hijacked thread....

 

[Typhoon1244]

...and all your base are belong to us 0wNz Jo0!

(I still don't get it.)

 

[sky37d]

Good luck to you Foobar. The cardinal is a nice machine. Enjoy flying it. My wife says I can start flying my 337 next month. PM me when you get the cardinal, and if I can afford the $100 hamburg, I join you for lunch.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

(I still don't get it.)

ok, here's an example
<-------------------0wn3ed!

google is yer friend if you have more questions

 

[Rate One Turn]

"All your base are belong to us" started when a Japanese game company decided to do the japanese-english translation themselves for a Sega Genesis game ( can't remember the title ).

There are some quite funny ( if I may say so ) translation errors but this one stuck.. BIG TIME!

Oh well...


-ROT

 

[Dash8]

"All your base are belong to us" started when a Japanese game company decided to do the japanese-english translation themselves for a Sega Genesis game ( can't remember the title ).

There are some quite funny ( if I may say so ) translation errors but this one stuck.. BIG TIME!

Oh well...


-ROT

the game was called zero-wing, supposedly it was never released in the us,
only the uk, oh and of course in nippon obviously

 

[FL000]

Sorry, I ain't got no sympathy if someone's not willing to put in one's dues. A thousand hours and complaining that one won't stomach the upcoming weather? Criminey. Does Foobar think he/she is going to drift into something stellar, rather than put in the same effort and circuitos route that many of us have done?

A thousand hours isn't quite enough experience to know how to properly close the aircraft entry door, let alone have ground to talk about the effort and price paid. If one isn't willing to go beyond the entry level, then what does it matter if one gives up. At least not much is invested.

Stick it out a bit longer and find out what it really takes to survive in the industry, and you'll realize that you haven't even begun to pay your dues, yet.

If you think that a regional or commuter is the only option, then you are very narrow-sighted. Good luck with future prospects; based on your comments, you've certainly made the right decision.

The idiotic suggestion that those of us who fly professionally are "morons," only speaks to the poster, Foobar. After all, who's the one who is quitting?

Holy smoke! A post from Avbug, every word of which I agree with. I'm impressed!

 

[Foobar]

Uhh yeah, like I said that’s not my current times. And who is the one working for 20K a year?

So paying dues is a testament to your skill, your ability, your intelligence or your work ethic?

I know what it takes to survive in this industry.

1) A willingness to eat sh!t for at least 5 years. Instruct, Fly cargo, work at Mesa, pay for a job, fly a lousy aircraft in lousy weather its all the same.
2) Be lucky enough to pick the right airline or the right corporation.

OR….

Have a rich daddy/uncle that will pay your way and get you a job.

Those are the options.

The morons are the people that agree to eat more sh!t than the next guy, just to get ahead. That destroys the industry slowly. There will be no place to get ahead to soon enough. The major airlines are the last hold out in the airline industry. Want to bet on those wages dropping over the next 10 years? A drop fueled by guys trying to get ahead. Ah well… there is no point. I can’t believe I came back and replied… Over and out!

 

[Checks]

Foobar,

I agree with you on this. Many regionals start at around 20K and yet, at many of them, you still dont get paid during your 60-90 days of training.

How in the hell people survive in high cost of living areas on 20K I will never understand.

I should have started when I was 18yrs old.

Good Luck to you.

 

[FL000]

So Foobar, do you think your legacy will be that of a hero in the aviation community, or just another quitter.

I know MY answer.

 

[Loafman]

Sounds like the difference between an alcoholic and a drunk. Alcoholics are quitters.

You haven't paid your dues flight instructing. You're barely getting your feet wet. If there's one thing that pissed me off the most, it was some newhire FO walking into my simulator 3 years ago proclaiming that she'd "paid her dues" and was just waiting for her United interview. I hope sho got it.

 

[kevdog]

loafman, i can't stop looking at your avatar.

 

[Herman Bloom]

I didn't "pay my dues" and I'm flying for a regional. I guess I'm worthless; I don't deserve my job.

Foobar is right on. You reap what you sow (is that how you spell it?).

 

[Flying Illini]

There are flight instructors that are making a fair amount more than I am yet I'm not flight instructing...am I paying my dues (working for a lower wage) or are they paying their dues...or are we both paying our dues?