Ornstein Fuming...

[full_of_carp]

I kind of liked Storm's line in X-Men:
"Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning...the same thing that happens to anything else." ... ZAP
(or something like that)

 

[Foobar]

What managers never get is that employees treat customers no better than they are treated. Treat your employees like monkey crap and guess how they will treat the customers.

 

[VFR on Top]

Yes, UAL and USAirways, your two biggest partners, are now faced with yet ANOTHER LCC in their backyard. This can't be good for them or YOU.

Or any of us, for that matter. Please explain how something that's bad for UA/U is good for the piloting profession for me, I must have missed that the first time around.

Of course you have no intention on providing low-cost service to Washington DC residents - you want to preserve UAL's and USAirway's pricing position in the region - right?

Again, I ask: since when was providing low-cost travel ever in the best interests of this profession? Seems to me that another LCC will simply serve to lower the bar for everyone as it simply helps drive a few more nails into UA's/U's coffin. No one here wants to fly anything bigger than an A320 anyway, right? How are ACA's A320 rates? Any better than the other low-budget carriers?

Seriously, how does this move not just make ACA the Mesa of the majors?

 

[WhiteCloud]

Re: Re: Ornstein Fuming...

Or any of us, for that matter. Please explain how something that's bad for UA/U is good for the piloting profession for me, I must have missed that the first time around.

I guess it depends on where you sit. What's good for the "industry" may not be good for a given individual personally. If you don't have a job you don't want to compete with thousands of out of work, highly qualified individuals for a pilot job. That would be bad. If you already work at one of the LCC's and United goes belly up, your airline could fill the flying void that's left and many UAL pilots could join the ranks of your airline below you on the seniority list. Personally, I'd welcome a healthy UAL that started hiring again to clear out the younger guys above me on the seniority list.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

I agree but...

I agree with your point about trying to maintain the upper crust jobs in this industry. However that is no longer possible in todays market. After 911 the model needed to be changed to reflect the customers unwillingness to pay higer ticket fares and thus our higher salaries. Ta Da, LLC's... Ok, so the domestic market is going to chage to LCC's taking tthe high profit routes while the Main Line carriers still provide full service to smaller less profitable cities w/regional jets and feeding International ops.

The point that everyone is trying to make with ACA/IND is that, we know that a large portion of our carriers are now going to be spent on the Regional/domestic level. If the MESA Monster is aloud to continue its unchecked growth we will all be on food stamps trying to pay our student loans for the rest of time.

Just my 2 bits

Regards DD

 

[full_of_carp]

To further that point, in the new world order according to Bush, a defined benefit pension plan isn't worth the paper it's written on unless your company is around and financially healthy. If it goes TU, then you're SOL, as U and Enron have proven already, and UAL probably will finish proving soon.
Sad but true.
So, the message seems to be that you go with a company that treats its employees well and that has a business plan with a fair chance of surviving and hopefully even thriving in the long run. SWA sure is, JetBlue probably is, and many of us hope ACA/Ind can be added to that list soon.
... pessimistic and optimistic at the same time ...