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GVFlyer said:
Our flight department follows the Flight Safety Foundation guidelines. When we are scheduled for a leg greater than 12 hours we carry a third pilot. We rotate a pilot into the crew rest area every two hours giving us a 4 on - 2 off schedule which is safely maintainable for extended flights.

GV
Does anyone include their Flight Attendants into the "crew rest" scheduling? If so, how do you rotate them through the crew rest area, or do you sit them in back with the passengers? F/A's , at least ours, don't hang out in the back with the passengers, so most of the time they don't really have any "scheduled" rest on the longhaul flights.

Our GV's have forward galleys......something that I wouldn't recommend if you have any say in the matter.
 
ultrarunner said:
Confused?? I was just asking. Having flown aircraft in the past with both these systems, I was wondering if the latest and greatest offerings from Gulfstream had these systems. I'm not familiar with their products.

I was thinking that after the monster long legs this beast has, that auto land and auto brakes would be pretty darn nice..esp in crappy wx.

Yes, autobrakes are standard. Dont need them often, short fields when its snowy or wet..as you know..

Most have the options of HUDS and/or EVS. Many opt not to install them due to the mx, weight, and the need to go to school more to maintain currency (no thanks!)..
 
G4G5 said:
Does anyone know where the FAA currently stands on allowing lower mins with the Hud and Evs?
Yes, after having to go the AFS 1 (Wash. DC) level at the FAA, Gulfstream was able to negotiate new rules making for FAR 91.175. Transport category proponency is in the FAA's Northwest Region (go figure) and those boys haven't understood any advances in avionics since VOR's and ADF's replaced Airway Beacons and Radio Ranges.

Fundamentaly, the new rule says that if you can see the runway environment at the published minimums by using the FLIR EVS image, you can continue to a height of 100 feet, after that you have to use “natural vision” for landing. EVS can be used during Cat I ILS approaches, and using "enhanced flight visibility,” for straight-in nonprecision approaches.

Thales is planning to certify their version of enhanced vision for use on the Bombardier Global Express in the first quarter 2005. Once this system is installed these rules will apply to the Global Express as well.


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fokkerjet said:
Does anyone include their Flight Attendants into the "crew rest" scheduling? If so, how do you rotate them through the crew rest area, or do you sit them in back with the passengers? F/A's , at least ours, don't hang out in the back with the passengers, so most of the time they don't really have any "scheduled" rest on the longhaul flights.

Our GV's have forward galleys......something that I wouldn't recommend if you have any say in the matter.
We sometimes carry two flight attendants to allow for their crew rest, but they must accomplish it in the cabin as the crew rest area is continously occupied by a pilot. Some of the more chivalrous pilots will do their two hours off on the jump seat to allow a flight attendant into the crew rest area. Sometimes the flight attendant will close the door to the cabin and take her break on the jump seat just to get away from " the roar of the grease paint and the smell of the crowd."

GV
 
fokkerjet said:
Our GV's have forward galleys......something that I wouldn't recommend if you have any say in the matter.
C). Strongly Agree.

If the galley is in the back, the FA's coolers, fry pans, dirty dishes and 400 pounds of ancilliary stuff is stashed in the baggage area.

With a forward galley, the first thing you loose is the forward lav due to the inevitable expansion of her stuff. The crew rest area becomes only marginally usable due to the unavoidable noise of her doing her job. You also get the added benefit of leaving the aircraft with your uniform smelling like whatever she cooked.

Now, in my organization we only discuss professional aviation subjects in the cockpit during these long flights and we encourage the flight attendants to join in, but in other less enlightened flight departments her presense might also limit what the pilots talk about on those thirteen and a half hour legs.

GV
 
GVFlyer said:
C). Strongly Agree.

If the galley is in the back, the FA's coolers, fry pans, dirty dishes and 400 pounds of ancilliary stuff is stashed in the baggage area.

With a forward galley, the first thing you loose is the forward lav due to the inevitable expansion of her stuff. The crew rest area becomes only marginally usable due to the unavoidable noise of her doing her job. You also get the added benefit of leaving the aircraft with your uniform smelling like whatever she cooked.

Now, in my organization we only discuss professional aviation subjects in the cockpit during these long flights and we encourage the flight attendants to join in, but in other less enlightened flight departments her presense might also limit what the pilots talk about on those thirteen and a half hour legs.

GV


Very funny and very true. We have a forward galley on our Global, but we didn't have a choice - all Globals have forward galleys, it's a C.G. thing.
 
GVFlyer said:
C). Strongly Agree.

If the galley is in the back, the FA's coolers, fry pans, dirty dishes and 400 pounds of ancilliary stuff is stashed in the baggage area.

With a forward galley, the first thing you loose is the forward lav due to the inevitable expansion of her stuff. The crew rest area becomes only marginally usable due to the unavoidable noise of her doing her job. You also get the added benefit of leaving the aircraft with your uniform smelling like whatever she cooked.

Now, in my organization we only discuss professional aviation subjects in the cockpit during these long flights and we encourage the flight attendants to join in, but in other less enlightened flight departments her presense might also limit what the pilots talk about on those thirteen and a half hour legs.

GV


GVFlyer,

Don't you boys have any male flight attendants and female pilots?

-SkyGirl-
 
SkyGirl said:
GVFlyer,

Don't you boys have any male flight attendants and female pilots?

-SkyGirl-
We do..........and I've noticed that when you "upset the balance of nature", like this, the usual inflight conversations take on a very Oprah-ish / Dr. Phil-ish turn. After the flight, I have an urge to watch a movie on Lifetime while taking a long bath.......
 
fokkerjet said:
We do..........and I've noticed that when you "upset the balance of nature", like this, the usual inflight conversations take on a very Oprah-ish / Dr. Phil-ish turn. After the flight, I have an urge to watch a movie on Lifetime while taking a long bath.......


Too funny...
 
Hey GVFlyer (or anyone else) - can you think of a reason why a G4 would have a VG kit installed *only* on the left wing? There's one that comes into AUS on occasion that's like this. Doesn't make much sense to me.
 
bigD said:
Hey GVFlyer (or anyone else) - can you think of a reason why a G4 would have a VG kit installed *only* on the left wing? There's one that comes into AUS on occasion that's like this. Doesn't make much sense to me.


Poor maintenance procedures? According to my Configuration Deviation List there are 120 installed - 0 required, but you should limit speed to M 0.85 with any missing.

It's not a big deal to install them. You lay a template on the wing, register it, then bond the vortices generators on.

GV
 

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