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One barrel of crude: $50.01

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EagleRJ

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This can't be good for the airlines! Most airlines' fuel hedging agreements are expiring now, and with their credit, they can't secure new agreements.
With airlines having to buy fuel on the open market, these fuel prices are going to accelerate the flow of red ink. Get ready for another round of calls for concessions from labor groups!
 
I was watching CNBC and they talked of upwards of 60.00 soon!
 
Strategic Petroleum Reserve

Apparently the Bush Administration is debating opening the spigots of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in response to "market disruptions caused by Hurricane Ivan" (this is pre~Jeanne news).

Unlike Bush~the~Father, this Bush administratoin went into the petro spot markets and began buying to bring strategic reserves to capacity during the early period of the Iraq war, with the resulting price pass~through that has contributed to driving up prices.

During the final ramp~up period in the previous Gulf war, that Bush Administration opened the Strategic Reserve spigots to act as a moderator of prices, warding off spot market speculation and the price spike that would cause. This Bush Adminsitration thought it wiser to do the reverse.

I have no idea what the right thing to do is in such a complex situation, where both national security and economic interests are bound together so tightly, as this is a bit beyond Macroeconomics 101.

Of course, news of the Strategic Reserve being opened now would tend to have some immediate impact on prices, which would drive votes to Bush as our fellow voters are so sensitive to this issue.

Price spikes are generally follwed by quick sell~offs as people do a bit of profit~taking. This would tend to reduce the price to pre~spike levels as happens in other markets. A bit of curve~smoothing. Reversion to the mean, for any math nerds like me out there.

Now, before you jump all over me, notice I haven't offered a personal political opinion. I'm just repeating stuff that has appeared in those radical liberal leftie rags, the Wall Street Journal and Forbes.

As a little PS, I am new to this forum and have been reading my way through a number of threads. I'm impressed with the quality of a lot of the posts, and am glad I've found and joined you.
 
I'm kicking myself for not knowing the exact amount, but locomotives are many times more fuel efficient than trucks. Thus, gas prices have a more pronounced impact on trucking rates compared to railroad rates. UP, BNSF, NS, you name it, are seeing large surges in demand, thanks in part to higher than normal oil prices.
 
AcroChik said:
A bit of curve~smoothing. Reversion to the mean, for any math nerds like me out there.

Now, before you jump all over me, . . .
It's a good thing you threw the math stuff in there. Otherwise, we might have gotten too distracted. :)



Seriously, though . . . nice post.
 
According to the linked story out of Singapore, the crude oil price hike is related to political unrest in OPEC's areas of the world.

So, why are the US oil companys and the media and the Bush administration telling us the Ivan is responsible? If anything, having a hurricane shut down our refineries should have lowered the worldwide price for crude and raised our price for gasoline (or whatever product those refineries produce)

Next comment. I'm about as far away from a tree-hugging/granola-crunching/beirkinstock-wearing/anti-suv /pro-abortion/vegan, as one can get; but we'd better start to learn how to run our economy on less fossil fuel. Even if the supply of crude isn't shrinking, it danged sure isn't getting any bigger; and worldwide demand is growing exponentially. The more we push to westernize the world and open new markets for multi-national corporations, (China for instance), the more those newly westernized countries become competitors for crude.
We really need leadership, from both sides of the political aisle, to convince the American public to save dinosuars. I'm afraid that the Russians were right (but just a little premature) when they said that our own greed will bring about our end.

What say you mar?

regards,
enigma
 
what are they saying about pork bellies?
 
Listening to the news on the way in to the airport this morning I heard the price of a barrel of crude is up to $50.05.

One of the reasons given for a new drive for record crude prices was a rebel group in Nigeria that has demanded all oil workers leave Nigeria by November or maybe October, I don't remember.

If there is any upside to this (besides Alaska's state budget getting balanced and then some) perhaps it will get people thinking about energy conservation and alternative sources of fuels. We have many options. You can derive gasoline from coal and we are the Saudi Arabia of coal, Alaska alone has %20 of the world's supply. Natural gas, hopefully renewable power plants to produce hydrogen someday.

I promise to fly high and cruise the props as soon as I can today!
 
enigma said:
According to the linked story out of Singapore...

Next comment. I'm about as far away from a tree-hugging/granola-crunching/beirkinstock-wearing/anti-suv /pro-abortion/vegan, as one can get; but...
Whew...you had me going there for a moment, I thought you were going to come out of the closet on us! :)
 
Meanwhile the airlines continue to commit suicide by not raising prices to reflect the increased cost of the product.

This frustrates me to no end. When gas prices approached $2.50 a gallon in California, people complained, but I didn't see any Hummers, Expeditions, or Suburbans parked in the garages. Maybe, just maybe if prices went up a bit, people would b*tch, but they would probably continue to fly. The Status quo won't continue to work.

I really hate this industry...
 
Knew I should have moved to Alaska, those bonus oil revenue checks have got to be looking good this year. 7 kids plus 2 x $3000.00 plus not bad.
 
TurboS7 said:
Knew I should have moved to Alaska, those bonus oil revenue checks have got to be looking good this year. 7 kids plus 2 x $3000.00 plus not bad.
well, I don't think that it'll be 3000.00 unless the price *really* soars. THis year it will be $919.84. At the moment the governor is trying to get his hands on the fund, even though he has been told very clearly *no* by the voters on several occasions.
 

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