On touchdown...turns into LAHSO

[Wankel7]

So, we are landing in some BFE airport with a tower. We are cleared to land and we touch down. As we are rolling out I an not slowing because the FBO is at the end of the runway.

Just then tower says, hold short of intersecting runway for landing traffic. I am like WTF. Nothing on ATIS about LAHSO and if there was our company regs say we can't do LAHSO.

So, I get on the brakes and hold short. At no time was it dangerous or a problem slowing down.

However, I was pissed because this happened. All the what IFS start going thru my head.

At the point I was to tired to say something to tower.

Has this ever happened to you guys?

Wankel

 

[MarineGrunt]

"Tower, why don't you give me a call at xxx-xxxx"

 

[Wankel7]

LOL, that would have been great

I do remember where it happened now! It was Youngstown YNG.

Wankel

 

[mwmav8r01]

They might have thought you were at a resonable taxi speed. If it was a true LAHSO you can decline it. U should call the tower supervisor... Clear up thoughts in your mind and make sure they are on the same page.

Matt

 

[qmaster3]

Couldn't you "unable"?

 

[Wankel7]

Could have......it would have caused a cluster. The C152 would have to go around and stopping was no issue for me.

I should have and poured on the power! mUAHAHHA. Or not

Wankel

 

[Wankel7]

From my POV I had just touched down and started rolling out when I saw this dude and then tower told me to hold short.

If I don't have to haul on my brakes I would be happier.

I was carrying on demand cargo and I really think I am burning more $$ per hour than the 152. Besides tower man should have seen the conflict coming and have spaced us differently.

And I should have listened a little better to the radio to get a picture of what is going on at the airport.

Wankel

 

[dingo222]

Lahso

You can deny the LAHSO and should have. THe last thing you need to do on the landing roll is accept a LAHSO clearance. If the controller has a prob with it, ask to taxi to the tower to talk about it. That shuts them up every time

 

[minitour]

LOL, that would have been great

I do remember where it happened now! It was Youngstown YNG.

Wankel

So you landed 14 right (as in, correct...there is no 14R, 14L...just 14)?

What the hell were you in that you couldn't hold short of 5/23? The Space Shuttle?

If you landed 5 then okay...that's kinda tight...just a bit

I don't think I've ever heard anyone issued a LAHSO there...

 

[Flechas]

Hey Wankel, what kind of plane do you fly? (not related to theis thread, just curious)

 

[minitour]

Hey Wankel, what kind of plane do you fly? (not related to theis thread, just curious)

its definitely related to the thread...I think the intersection is like 8000' from the end of 14...maybe closer to 7500...its been a while...

man...you musta been moooooovin



of course I'm just d!ckin with ya...I woulda been pissed too man...

 

[MTpilot]

Maybe he was landing long and letting it roll a little fast cause he was goin' to the other end of the field anyway, maybe not

 

[Wankel7]

Landed 14 actually.....

I had plenty of space to stop.....just was a lil pissed about it.

And it was a Shorts 360....Irish concord

 

[minitour]

yeah I hear ya man...touchdown isn't when you wanna hear "hold short of..."

Or best yet, wait until we're 100 feet from Delta (and obviously not going to make it) to issue a "hold short of Delta"...WTF was that, lady?

-mini

 

[Wankel7]

Maybe he was landing long and letting it roll a little fast cause he was goin' to the other end of the field anyway, maybe not

Actually, we were. Heading over to Winner. Didn't really land that long but maybe a lil....

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco/online/airportdiagrams/00466AD.PDF

It is cool to talk about it this much...now I wanna go back and do it again

 

[minitour]

Actually, we were. Heading over to Winner. Didn't really land that long but maybe a lil....

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco/online/airportdiagrams/00466AD.PDF

It is cool to talk about it this much...now I wanna go back and do it again

Was it the chick up in tower?

That crazy lady...night flight student pilot days...CFI and I JUST get airborne...maybe 100 feet and I notice darkness...I thought "oh sh*t..are we in a low low cloud?"..then it dawns on me "did she turn off the lights?"

haha he says "yeah, she must wanna get it on with the guy upstairs"

She gives out some strange sh*t like "cleared for the left base runway 23" (when I'm expecting "cleared visual approach")...just wondering if its her...

 

[EatSleepFly]

Funny, before I even scrolled down that far, the first airport that came to mind was YNG.

You have to understand...Youngstown controllers get all frazzled when multiple airplanes are in the pattern for two different runways. They don't get much practice other than the C-130's and KC-135's that go 'round and 'round.

I flew out of there for a year or so. Last time I had a problem, it was the opposite of yours. They wanted to give a bunch of delaying vectors inbound to 14 because there was Cessna traffic landing on 5. Uh, hello? It's a King Air, not a 757...I think 7500' or whatever that is is adequate to land and turn off long before reaching 5. BFE is a pretty good description of Youngstown.

 

[b82rez]

LAHSO clearances are given in conjunction with the landing clearance. If it is not, it is not LAHSO.

The controller asking you to hold short of that runway is no different than them asking you to make a certain turnoff. If you can't, say unable, if you can then do it. Once you land any clearances by the controller are, by definition, a taxi clearance.

I'm sure, however, that a "standby" from the pilot of the landing airplane would cause the controller to rethink his/her tight sequencing.

 

[canyonblue737]

"GOD" is right. Likely she simply could tell you could easily stop and when she made her statement you could have, without penality, rejected it. Perhaps then she would have made the C152 go around or whatever, but the reality won out, you WERE slowed and easily made the turn off. True LAHSO occurs with the landing clearance and often involves tolerances so small that if you are unable to hold short after accepting the clearance then safety margins could evaporate into nothing... clearly not the case in your situation.

 

[minitour]

of course, really she should have given the LAHSO to the 152.

If they were landing RY 5, there's no reason not to stop a 152/172 in the 4,000' before the intersection.

If they were landing 23...hell...800' should be enough...bring it in nice and slow around 55kts, touch at the beginning of the runway and on the brakes...its doable

Didja catch a tail number on the "cessna traffic"?

-mini