On the topic of Delta Strike

[aerobaticspilot]

Who believes us airline pilots are not doing enough to stand up to the higher powers?

 

[737 Pylt]

Who believes us airline pilots are not doing enough to stand up to the higher powers?

I do, but the problem is that eveyone is expecting someone else to do it for them.

 

[aerobaticspilot]

well im willing to stand up to them ill take any ideas

 

[Nindiri]

Standing up to management is impossible as long as we keep watering down scope.

 

[737 Pylt]

well im willing to stand up to them ill take any ideas

Contact your MEC and tell them you won't fly for less than (insert wage amount here)!

 

[aerobaticspilot]

Contact your MEC and tell them you won't fly for less than (insert wage amount here)!

Thanks man for your help good luck to you guys

 

[Palomino]

Who believes us airline pilots are not doing enough to stand up to the higher powers?

higher powers? hardly. they belong in the underworld.

 

[737 Pylt]

higher powers? hardly. they belong in the underworld.

Even that is too good for them!
737

 

[ultrarunner]

ALPA has given up this fight. They have effectively given away decades of negotiations in a couple of years, and will likley give up more.

It's interesting though...in the good times, ALPA could effectively hold management hostage, get the big contract, then let the next carrier thump it's chest and slap sickers on the flight bags...

But when the tides turn, ALPA hangs you out to dry faster than you can say concessions....

Flying the Line III has already been written...you can read it here.

 

[AviatorTx]

Flying the Line III has already been written...you can read it here.

Flying the line III - The RJ years, and shiny jet syndrome.

Lets call a spade a spade. We are just as screwed up as the majors.

 

[Sinca3]

Flying the line III - The RJ years, and shiny jet syndrome.

Lets call a spade a spade. We are just as screwed up as the majors.

I blame the union leadership for their inability to keep the pilot group¨s¨ focused on what is really important. There inability to keep all union members ¨unified¨in the pursuit of a worthwhile profession.
This is ALL union memembers at ALL levels......our union has failed us and is continuing to try and hide the problem instead of getting us all together to find a solution.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Just out of curiosity, if Delta strikes on March 1st, will Comair, ASA, Chautauqua, Skywest, etc... stop flying the Delta code?

Or will they continue to fly city-pairs provided they do not overlap with Delta city-pairs?

Thanks

 

[fugghedabowdit]

My guess is that it would be like the CMR strike, no increase in frequency or gauge of mainline-served city pairs.

 

[pilotyip]

How come all the pilots who have the answers on how to run an airline, don't get together and buy an airline and build it to be the pilot’s dream job airline? If 10,000 airline pilots got together, they could easily raise 100 million to start their airline and they would not need a union, because they would be management. You could eliminate all of those management salaries by coming in on your days off and running the airline. You would just have to match SWA salaries and profitability. Since the pilots invested in the airline and owned the stock, as the airline became unbelievably profitable, they could sell the stock and become unbelievably rich. And then the new owners could run it like a regular airline, where you have a union, layoffs, and wage cuts.

 

[ultrarunner]

How come all the pilots who have the answers on how to run an airline, don't get together and buy an airline and build it to be the pilot’s dream job airline?

They did...it's called Soutwest Airlines

 

[BenderGonzales]

Nope. It was called "Kiwi".

Most of you are too young to remember how that worked out.

 

[Cadillac]

People Express?

to a lesser extent, United's ESOP plan?

 

[ultrarunner]

United's ESOP plan?

hehe...

yeah, that ESOP really showed 'em.

Toooo fuuunnnyy

 

[AviatorTx]

I blame the union leadership for their inability to keep the pilot group¨s¨ focused on what is really important. There inability to keep all union members ¨unified¨in the pursuit of a worthwhile profession.
This is ALL union memembers at ALL levels......our union has failed us and is continuing to try and hide the problem instead of getting us all together to find a solution.

Nice try.

The union is not the problem. Which Union do you refer to? ALPA or Teamsters Aviation? Heck, Skywest is one of the most guilty (70 seat for 50 seat pay), and they are NOT union. I agree that ALPA needs to take more of a leadership stance here. At the same time, if National does not, individual pilot groups need to nut up and stop backing down. So far, nobody seems to have found their testicles. Oh weeee, we just want more jets. Shiny jet syndrome is turning into a full blown crack-like addiction.

Time to look in the mirror and take your share of the responsibility.

 

[Sinca3]

Pay

I agree that ALPA needs to take more of a leadership stance here. At the same time, if National does not, individual pilot groups need to nut up and stop backing down. Time to look in the mirror and take your share of the responsibility.

This is all I was saying!! I think the union (ALPA) has failed its membership by allowing whipsaw to continue to happen, allowing concessionary contracts to be signed, and allowong pilot groups to focus their anger and discontent at each other. The real problem is ¨WE¨ the union have allowed this to happen for too long. Trust me there are some groups out there that are nutted up and ready to fight!
Cheers

 

[goodto50meters]

Nice try.

The union is not the problem. Which Union do you refer to? ALPA or Teamsters Aviation? Heck, Skywest is one of the most guilty (70 seat for 50 seat pay), and they are NOT union. I agree that ALPA needs to take more of a leadership stance here. At the same time, if National does not, individual pilot groups need to nut up and stop backing down. So far, nobody seems to have found their testicles. Oh weeee, we just want more jets. Shiny jet syndrome is turning into a full blown crack-like addiction.

Time to look in the mirror and take your share of the responsibility.

I agree. It looks like ASA and Mesaba may be the ones who have felt themselves up and found something downthere...

My money is on ASA. No one I have spoken with is going to race to the bottom of the crapper. Even in light of the others who have caved.

Yes to Strike!
Yes to my MEC, they speak for me!
Yes I sleep well at might after what I just saw in the mirror.
No, I wont pay to play

 

[sweptback]

My money is on ASA. No one I have spoken with is going to race to the bottom of the crapper. Even in light of the others who have caved.

I agree. Especially since we aren't really asking for money issues. Just clear, unambiguous language and QOL issues like a better reserve system and other misc. scheduling rules.

There are a lot of almost-TA'd sections in the negotiations. Do you think SkyWest is going to risk a strike over a few words that have no economic cost?