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Jester119

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I have a student who is 37 and is finishing up his private. He has asked me a few times what are his chances of getting a job ? What would be the best route for him to get a job? I told him with his age he could go into the charter side of flying or maybe go to a place like Gulfstream Academy. I also told him building the hours is what is going to take some time. Does anyone know of any older guys/gals in the same situation that have made it into the airlines or charter? Any advise would be great so I can relay some info to him. Thank You
 
I know that by mentioning Gulfstream Academy you are going to get alot of interesting replies on this board. It is alot of money, but I know of plenty of older pilots who have gone to GA to later go on to Pinnacle (NW Airlink). Pinnacle goes to the academy about 3 times a year to recruit about 50 Gulfstreamers (each visit). At his age, I know he probably feels he is entering the aviation world late in the game, therefore this option may work best for him. He could still potentially have a 20 year career with them if that were what he was after. Most of the responses are going to be anti-Gulfstream, but his other choice would be to get all of his ratings, then instruct (probably take longer). Let the flaming begin.
 
I've worked at regional airlines and in charter. At both I've known guys in their 40s and 50s who make it. Some potential employers will discount your student because of his age and he'll never know it, most wont think a thing about it (37 aint that old after all...), and a few will look at him as someone who will hang around instead of chasing off after something bigger/faster at the first opportunity.

Bobby may jump in here at some point with his experience in the early 90s when he feels he was a victim of age discrimination. He gives some great advice on here so I wont discount his personal experience, but if he does jump in bear in mind that his experience seems to be an isolated example in the industry.

In short, if it's something he wants to do and has;

a) no family
or
b) a very supportive family,

then tell him to go for it!

Good Luck!
 
Jester119 said:
I have a student who is 37 and is finishing up his private. He has asked me a few times what are his chances of getting a job ? What would be the best route for him to get a job? I told him with his age he could go into the charter side of flying or maybe go to a place like Gulfstream Academy. I also told him building the hours is what is going to take some time. Does anyone know of any older guys/gals in the same situation that have made it into the airlines or charter? Any advise would be great so I can relay some info to him. Thank You
He needs flight time...get him flying jumpers as soon as you can this spring. Get him CFI'ing as soon as you can. Other than that...that' all you can do...it's up to him to make the dream come alive. I touched a BAC 146 during training once...it was neat, but I still feel like a really good pilot man flying a Caravan for the feeders.

Get your guy going...it's up to him to find him/her self. You can only point the way!
 
As someone who was in the same boat and has researched this professional aviation thing to death ... you must ask him two questions: One: Do you have a good job already, one for which you would be trading a 'till-retirement' career for an airplane? Two: Do you have a family of more than 1.2 kids to feed?

If the answer to either question is "Yes", please ground him immediately using any means necessary, for he is mental. It's a catch-22. :D

Minh
 
Career changing

I was 36 when I decided to change careers to aviation in 1987. I had a couple of friends who were my age whom the commuters had hired. I thought that if they could do it I could do it. I only wanted to fly for the regionals. I only wanted enough money to be comfortable and to pay my bills.

I finished my multi ratings and sent resumes to the regionals, freight, anywhere. During this time, there was a hiring boom, so, I thought I would have a chance to sneak in with 50 hours of multi. No such luck. Finally, nine months after I started applying, I landed an instructing job at ERAU in Prescott. A year and a half after that, in the summer of 1990, with about 2800 total, 630 multi, my ATP and my type, I had my first interview. During the preceding weekend, Saddam had invaded Kuwait. The economy had been slowing, though I didn't know it at the time. That, and Saddam's invasion, stopping the hiring boom.

There still was hiring and I had more interviews. I was not hired - but, my Riddle colleagues, with similar qualifications but less time, and who were no less than fifteen years younger than me, were being hired. In all, I tried for six years to get a commuter job.

I submit that my experience is not in the least bit isolated. For one thing, if it happened to me it happened to others. E.g., I have a friend who is very close to my age who interviewed at Trans States about five years ago. He was not hired. He found out that he, flat-out, was not hired at Trans States because of his age. I have another friend, female, well-qualified, who had 135 and ditch tours experience, but was older, but still younger than me. She was not hired because of age. Run a search of this message board under "age discrimination" and you will see other examples besides the above. There are court cases that support the airlines' age discrimination practices.

Yes, there are pilots in their forties and fifties whom the airlines hire. But these generally are pilots who have been flying for years, are very well-qualified with a great deal of experience, who are finally getting their chances. It is late-life career-changers who face discrimination.

Times aren't too terribly different now from 1991. Airlines were in trouble back then and stopped operating. Pan Am, Eastern and Braniff had stopped, which put a large number of well-qualified pilots on the street and in competition for precious few jobs. These days, United is in bankruptcy, Delta is reputed to be on the verge, and U is in trouble. Your student should keep that in mind as he considers his plans.

Finally, your student should bear in mind that aviation is a conservative and traditional business, with conservative and traditional institutions. Most pilots have clawed their way up, one way or another. They resent those who try to end-run the traditional process of time building by way of P-F-T, pay-for-interview and other means. P-F-Ting at Gulfstream is how some pilots try to end-run the system; be that as it may, your student, pushing forty, very well might face an uncertain future once he flies off his 250 hours. He could look into MAPD, but it offers no ironclad promises beyond training him for his initial ratings (with no CFI).

Quite bluntly, given the current state of professional aviation, my $0.02 advice is for your student not to consider professional aviation. I would say the same thing now for someone in his/her early 30s. If he is adamant about a career change, he should look at such things as corporate, freight, 135, or career instructing. Airlines are not where it's at for older career-changers.

Good luck to your student with whatever he decides. Urge him to think about it very carefully before deciding. I realize that most people who have been on this board for a while knew right away where this was leading. Thanks for bearing with me, but, for this thread, it bore repeating.
 
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Does he have a degree?
 

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