Ok ALPA was right

[Crash Pad]

It has been a busy week at ASA.
1st: we were closing a base losing 17 CR7 and gaining 17 CR9
Then: The 17 CR9 was lost because of the pilot contract
Then: Only 6 CR9 have been lost with 11 up for grabs
Then: In two weeks the fate of the 900 fleet will be sealed

Ok ALPA even I can look at this chain and see that SKYW has not told management where the airplanes will go or they are trying to manipulate the contract. In either case we (ASA) are screwed.

On a side note what was the whole "in a few weeks A/C allocation will be complete"... Yeah that can't change. ASA had 17 70 seat A/C flying in the system, can A/C allocation be more complete than that.

Strike or whatever we are pawns.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

I totally understand where you are coming from but you can't lose sight of our current situation.

If we lose on this contract fight it will be attitudes like yours that kill us. Right now our pilot group is fighting for it's life in the form of a fair contract. Empower yourself instead of rolling over and playing dead. We all sat around and called the CA pilots names when they took paycuts for growth, but at least they have the strike and the good contract to lay claim to. You guys might have folded over the last couple of years but I still admire the contract that you initially earned. It's the fault of everyone else in the regional business that you lost it because no one else fought to get your level of compensation except the Horizon pilots. We have nothing to show for ourselves as a pilot group, our resolve is being tested right at this very moment and it's time for us to stand up and be heard.

Burn this place to the ground until they give us a fair contract

It has been a busy week at ASA.
1st: we were closing a base losing 17 CR7 and gaining 17 CR9
Then: The 17 CR9 was lost because of the pilot contract
Then: Only 6 CR9 have been lost with 11 up for grabs
Then: In two weeks the fate of the 900 fleet will be sealed

Ok ALPA even I can look at this chain and see that SKYW has not told management where the airplanes will go or they are trying to manipulate the contract. In either case we (ASA) are screwed.

On a side note what was the whole "in a few weeks A/C allocation will be complete"... Yeah that can't change. ASA had 17 70 seat A/C flying in the system, can A/C allocation be more complete than that.

Strike or whatever we are pawns.

 

[shamrock]

Strike or whatever we are pawns.

So what kind of pawns will we be?

The "roll over and die, anything you want, Bryan" type or the "this job isn't worth one cent less, management will now reap what they sow" type?

I'm no Union blowhard but if we're going to get screwed no matter what we do I'm going to be a very expensive and unproductive pawn. Normally I shy away from the "burn it down" mentality but if I'm going down anyway I'm not going to bend over for Charlie, Bryan, or Jerry.

There's a whole wide world out there outside ASA and, while I would prefer to keep this job, I'm confident that I'll do just fine if ASA were to go away.

Life will go on for me, I'll have a clear conscience, and no regrets.

 

[Crash Pad]

I agree. The ship has sailed we don't know where it is going only that we are onboard. We should ask for Southwest +10%... Doesn't matter our fate is sealed.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Just making an observation here...if ASA pilots feel screwed, wouldn't it be prudent to try to move over to SkyWest? I mean, typically, the company that gets bought almost always suffer at some level. People who own things can do what they want with it. Wouldn't you rather be on the side that owns rather than owned? I know it's a generalization, but SkyWest is just a hop, skip, and a jump for all you pilots with enough time to meet SkyWest minimums and out compete newbies.

 

[shamrock]

Well, technically, aren't both SkyWest and ASA owned by SkyWest Holdings? SkyWest Airlines doesn't own ASA.

And I for one am not going to give up my seniority at ASA to go to the bottom of the Skywest list, only to be the next one attacked after ASA is dealt with.

I'm not going to the bottom of ANY regional list if ASA goes away.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Well, technically, aren't both SkyWest and ASA owned by SkyWest Holdings? SkyWest Airlines doesn't own ASA.

And I for one am not going to give up my seniority at ASA to go to the bottom of the Skywest list, only to be the next one attacked after ASA is dealt with.

I'm not going to the bottom of ANY regional list if ASA goes away.

Absolutely right on target. SKYW holdings will never merge the two carriers, so why start all over again. I also believe that SkyWest pilots are going to be hit soon after JA takes ASA down a notch or two.

The CEO and Company want to make money, not spend it. The fastest way is to trim salaries. They are not going after anyone else but flight crews. If you went after ground personnel, the airline would really shut down. They hope the pilots will cave and run for cover.

 

[The_Russian]

No. Why would you want to lose years of seniority for a 19 dollar an hour rate? ASA guys and gals who have spent years building seniority would have to go back to the end of the line. On top of that, take a huge pay cut. No way man!

 

[MESA=WALMART]

iTS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SKYWEST GUYS GET BENT OVER BY JA! SMILES GUYS YOUR NEXT AND THERE AINT SH!T YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. YOU WILL BE MAKING AS MUCH AS A 16 YEAR OLD AT MCDONALDS WITH THE SAME WORK RULES!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Shamrock-

You make a very important point here that most seem to overlook. Skywest Airlines is the exact same as ASA as both are owned by Skywest Inc. Why is this important? The Skywest pilots, like Dave Benjamin, have no way to legitimately justify a bottom staple if the two were integrated. Why? Because ASA is seperate just like Skywest. Skywest Inc. bought ASA not Skywest Airlines, which the Skywest pilots work for. Only one more reason that the two pilot groups must unite.

 

[OB-CPO]

iTS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SKYWEST GUYS GET BENT OVER BY JA! SMILES GUYS YOUR NEXT AND THERE AINT SH!T YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. YOU WILL BE MAKING AS MUCH AS A 16 YEAR OLD AT MCDONALDS WITH THE SAME WORK RULES!

very classy

 

[Bako Cap]

iTS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SKYWEST GUYS GET BENT OVER BY JA! SMILES GUYS YOUR NEXT AND THERE AINT SH!T YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. YOU WILL BE MAKING AS MUCH AS A 16 YEAR OLD AT MCDONALDS WITH THE SAME WORK RULES!

No need for getting bent over. We'll just agree to another temporary 18 month agreement at ASA's new 50 rates and extend our one rate to 159 seats. Then after 18 months, kick and screem because we set another new low for the pilot group that will be here to stay. But it's OK, we'll get growth......

FN BS

 

[Bako Cap]

On my last note. If you folks at ASA don't show what the power of ALPA can do, the ALPA drive at SkyWest will die and we will be whipsawed to poverty. All I hear from pilots I fly with is "what's ALPA done for ASA?" Saddly, if you fail, they will be proved right.

 

[WSurf]

On my last note. If you folks at ASA don't show what the power of ALPA can do, the ALPA drive at SkyWest will die and we will be whipsawed to poverty. All I hear from pilots I fly with is "what's ALPA done for ASA?" Saddly, if you fail, they will be proved right.

Period!! Well said!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

"The aircraft allocation decisions will be final in a few weeks"

Huh - I thought it was "final" after we flew the airplanes for two or three years, but no, that wasn't final. Skywest took those. Oh well maybe ASA's firm orders are final, no, eh, um, Slywest took those also. So what's final? What can be counted on?

I'm not too excited about taking concessions so we might be able to get an airplane, if Jerry feels like it, if he doesn't change his mind, or some other market force acts on the tides after the third rainy tuesday in March. This is like betting if the Groundhog will see his shadow. Who knows? Who cares?

Without scope that locks in flying, we have nothing. I don't care about the pay rates if we can't even get agreement on Section 1 of the contract.

I'm not giving up money now for some vague hope of a mealy mouthed promise of some flying that might happen if everything works out. Did Jerry buy ASA on a vague promise, or did he hold out for solid contract language that included all of ASA's gates in the World's busiest airport? We should take a lesson from our leader and get very specific scope that protects our interests and no foolishly negotiate a contract that is not enforceable with the party that controls the flying.

ASA is slowly getting shut down. Skywest is holding "group interviews" so they can run a few hundred scabs up our butts. This situation is not going to get turned around over $4 an hour in pilot pay.

Shut the place down - the sooner the better. Jerry doesn't want ASA. If he did, he would have merged us.

 

[CJA]

Some very good posts on this thread, especially from Crashpad, Russian, Shamrock and the symbol formerly known as "fins". If anybody in this industry can't see that what is happening at ASA is GOING to happen to them next is either blind, stupid or both.

 

[FDJ2]

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Without scope that locks in flying, we have nothing. I don't care about the pay rates if we can't even get agreement on Section 1 of the contract..[/quote]

Sorry Fins, according to the RJDC pilots don't own the flying. According to the RJDC, you can not limit the companies ability to tap into the free market and outsource flying.

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"Starting to put the parts together
Early information is that this will be a win for the ASA and the SkyWest pilots."

"I particularly like the stability a 30 year President like Jerry Atkin brings to the mix."

 

[Tomct]

Right On CJA!! OR, they refuse to take their heads out of the sand long enough to see it. Kind of like when the boogie man was coming, if you put your head under the covers long enough, he would disappear! NOT this time, he is here to stay!!