Oh No! Theres a Pilot Shortage!

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Originally Posted by aerobaticspilot
The world is going to be hurting for pilots soon. Take a look at express jet, pinnacle, american eagle, and colgan. They are begging for pilots. I personally dont think they will care. Just remember cfi are on top of there book knowledge since they teach it all the time.


I would love to know your justification to a pilot shortage. There has never been a shortage of pilots, only a shortage of "qualified pilots" Qualified meaning the monkey suit wearing, string puppet playing resume the airline HR department want you to be. Any idiot can fly an airplane. Im no stranger to aviation but I sure hope your theory proves valid, theres an abundant onslaught of monkeys in training waiting in line to fill the stage of hoola hoop jumping. No offense but anyone can fly the airplanes their building today, and most are willing to earn crap pay and dance all night long just to sit in the front of that shiny metal tube to fuel their ego and hope to impress a swim suit photo chica with the "Im a pilot" pickup.
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[flyn96]

They just need people to work for piss poor wages and after they can't find anymore they'll go abroad, just take look at the US Maritime industry, oh wait you can't because there is none. Why???? all those boats are crew by foriegn crews. They come from countries were 5 dollars a day is big pimpin!

 

[pilotyip]

No shortage of pilots, just that hiring minimums have been redefined to ensure there are enought applicants, but when they get below Comm, Inst mins they will have rasie the pay to keep the applicant pool alive. Pinnacle is already doing that with bonus, rooms, etc.

 

[CE402]

What is the general consensus on the hiring market right now? Personally, I would classify it as "bad"...meaning there is a lack of good-paying, stable jobs in the industry right now. No majors are hiring, and I keep reading (on this board mostly) about difficulties at places like Comair, Pinnacle, Express Jet (the 69 leases), etc. Not trying to be negative, but I'm just curious as to what the conventional wisdom out there is on such a subject. I consider the 2000/2001(pre 9/11) market to have been a "good" market with lots of jobs becoming available.

I'm mostly curious because I was having a discussion with people at work about our company and how there are seemingly fewer qualified applicants nowadays. There could be two reasons in my book: 1) Good hiring market = less people interested in one particular place, or 2) The $$$ and schedules being offered aren't as attractive as they once were, in comparison to other operators. Seeing some knowledgable opinions on the state of hiring out there might shed some light on this discussion.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

There will never be a recovery....outsourcing will continue until foreign pilots will fly for $5 an hour, be based in the US for a few years, and send the money home to their families living like kings in their native Phillipines, Indonesia, Turkey, etc.

The current payscales will seem like a dream when we look back 10 years from now..."wow, CRJ Captains used to make $60 an hour!!"

Mark my words.....

Walmarticization of every industry in the U.S.

 

[pilotyip]

flyin96, if you look at the history of the US Maritime industry there high costs made them non-competetive with the rest of the world. US and Foeign shippers could not use US ships and compete. The unions made it a great place to work, the Maritime workers are amongst the highest paid jobs in this country, the trouble is there are very few jobs. If you get one trip a year it is about average, according to an article I read over 10 years ago.

 

[propjockey]

Walmarticization of every industry in the U.S.

And that is the key to what's wrong (Emphasis added). If it was just the airlines, then OK. But this crap is going on in almost every large company now. As I predicted on this website a year or two ago...

Someday there will only be two classes of people in this country:

95% Wal-Mart "associates" (doesn't that term make you want to gag?)
5% Wal-Mart executives

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Someday there will only be two classes of people in this country:

95% Wal-Mart "associates" (doesn't that term make you want to gag?)
5% Wal-Mart executives

Very scary, and VERY LIKELY.

We will all be indentured servants to Walmart if we don't fix these issues.

We will be slaves, paid in food, trinkets, and amnesty from due beatings.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

And that is the key to what's wrong (Emphasis added). If it was just the airlines, then OK. But this crap is going on in almost every large company now. As I predicted on this website a year or two ago...

Someday there will only be two classes of people in this country:

95% Wal-Mart "associates" (doesn't that term make you want to gag?)
5% Wal-Mart executives

more like 99.999999999% walmart associates 0.000000001% friends of George Bush

 

[Dave Benjamin]

No majors are hiring, and I keep reading (on this board mostly) about difficulties at places like Comair, Pinnacle, Express Jet (the 69 leases), etc. Not trying to be negative, but I'm just curious as to what the conventional wisdom out there is on such a subject. I consider the 2000/2001(pre 9/11) market to have been a "good" market with lots of jobs becoming available.

No majors are hiring? I better break the news to all the folks that have recently been hired at Continental, Alaska, Southwest, FedEx, and UPS. Guess someone must have changed the definition of major airline. Many American pilots have also taken job at places like Cathay, China Airlines, and Emirates.

 

[CE402]

No majors are hiring? I better break the news to all the folks that have recently been hired at Continental, Alaska, Southwest, FedEx, and UPS. Guess someone must have changed the definition of major airline. Many American pilots have also taken job at places like Cathay, China Airlines, and Emirates.

My bad....I didn't think of the cargo places and I didn't know that Southwest or Continental was hiring. I was mostly thinking of places like Delta, United, US Air, Northwest, and American. So is it your opinion that right now the hiring market is good overall? Not disagreeing, I just live in a bubble so rumors provide a lot of info.

 

[WhiteCloud]

flyin96, if you look at the history of the US Maritime industry there high costs made them non-competetive with the rest of the world. US and Foeign shippers could not use US ships and compete. The unions made it a great place to work, the Maritime workers are amongst the highest paid jobs in this country, the trouble is there are very few jobs. If you get one trip a year it is about average, according to an article I read over 10 years ago.

The only thing keeping US sailing jobs alive is the Jones Act which requires all shipping from US port to another US port be accomplished by US crews on ships built in the US. When you do a 4 month trip working 12-14 hours days 7 days a week you also earn vacation pay which pays you something significant for about 2 months after the trip is over. In very round figures (working 6 months of 24/7) for ship's officers a typical CA will earn $100K +, Chief mate 80K, 2nd mate-60K 3rd- $45. We need to support the Jones Act since it is constantly under fire from the grain producing states. Repeal of the Jones Act could have significant repercussions for the airline industry since the precedence of allowing foreign crews and ships to operate from one US port to another could easily be applied to airports as well. Why not? It's cheaper.

 

[better up here]

Any idiot can fly an airplane. No offense but anyone can fly the airplanes their building today, and most are willing to earn crap pay and dance all night long just to sit in the front of that shiny metal tube to fuel their ego and hope to impress a swim suit photo chica with the "Im a pilot" pickup.

Really, then what does that make you? I fly with no auto pilot, fms, or FA... I earn my 15k a year! (well maybe a little more...) "A monkey can do it," my a$$! (no jokes please, lol)

And you try telling your story to the guys flying the shiny stuff...good luck.

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[difete]

Huh

It is not true a monkey can do this job. If you want to degrade your profession comparing yourself to a monkey that is up to you, but I studied quite a bit to be here, there was quite a lot of monetary and time spent, expirience building, and risk taken to be here now.

Airlines are not starving for pilots though... If they are, all they do is lower their mins. and then Bualah!! more pilots available to them.

As long as there are people like us who love flying, there will be no shortage of pilots to them.

 

[Fred Rogers]

It is not true a monkey can do this job. If you want to degrade your profession comparing yourself to a monkey that is up to you, but I studied quite a bit to be here, there was quite a lot of monetary and time spent, expirience building, and risk taken to be here now.

Airlines are not starving for pilots though... If they are, all they do is lower their mins. and then Bualah!! more pilots available to them.

As long as there are people like us who love flying, there will be no shortage of pilots to them.

I agree, we could do a lot to remind people that the responsibility alone ought to be worth something, not to mention the aformentioned time, training, and fat load of cash!!!

I heard once that all those typewriting monkeys ended up just pooping on the typewriters.

 

[pilotyip]

A monkey can not do this job yet, except in RPV's, however anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can do this job.

 

[JumpCaptain]

It is not true a monkey can do this job.

I agree. I actually know of a couple of monkeys who couldn't do it....

...although I think they fly for the majors now.:0

 

[QXpeon]

Very scary, and VERY LIKELY.

We will all be indentured servants to Walmart if we don't fix these issues.

We will be slaves, paid in food, trinkets, and amnesty from due beatings.

You idiots voted for Bush and his chronies. That's why you have to deal with this $hit.

You made the bed a$$holes.

 

[Cokie907]

You idiots voted for Bush and his chronies. That's why you have to deal with this $hit.

You made the bed a$$holes.

And the ignorant D-bag of the year award goes to: (drum roll please)

that "peon".

 

[QXpeon]

Distract from the real issues. That's what your party is good at.

 

[illeagle]

F all y'all mother F'ers!!!!

Grow some satchels down between. Keep sending resumes for jobs that pay skittles. In the words of Mesa's CEO J Orenstein " why would I offer more pilot pay when I have a stack of resumes and more being sent in everyday. I'd be a fool to raise the pay..." And folks, he is correct. If the workers accept the pay and conditions, why improve the situation? Sack up and demand to be treated like a professional... We now return to your regularly sheduled program...


don't be a taint smoker...

 

[Tyro]

You idiots voted for Bush and his chronies. That's why you have to deal with this $hit.

You made the bed a$$holes.

Nice theory but Akkktuawwlly...

Bush ain’t all that powerful. Having a heck of a time getting Congress to "behave." Or finding bin ding-dong.

Being driven by factors well beyond his control, Parner.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Oh good it only took 22 posts on this thread to turn every post into Bush-bashing . . .