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[CAVOK69]

When you say that you paid for your training, what exactly do you mean?

private, inst. , multi, comm, cfii mei

 

[G100driver]

private, inst. , multi, comm, cfii mei

What I figured, but thought I would ask.

You have gotten good fair advice from the other posters, all I can add would be a gaurentee of time off. I.E did you fly over the weekend? If so, you should not have to come into the office those days. Try and make it work as best you can while try to find another job. Never quit in a huff. Good luck.

 

[Melon]

There is a lot of good advice in this thread. All the other posters said what I was thinking. Best of luck to you.

 

[CAVOK69]

When I said pay for training, i was refering to the money that went into my initial training i.e. privat, comm, multi, cfii mei isnt.




And, while safety is not the issue, I dont stay at the office all the time then go fly. It is simply the fact that I do not agree with me having to show face on days where i don't have anything to do. Basically, I am commited to always being available, how long I stay at the office and what I do aren't the problem.

 

[H.Agenda]

In my humble experience, you get paid what you negotiate for not what your worth, unfortunately and your job description before you started working should be reasonably close to what it actually is.

What is it that exactly they are making you do? Are you just showing up at the office doing nothing until they say you can go home? Are you working? Maybe you said already and I missed it in the thread.

Flying corporate CAN be a great gig but its seems like people with too much money are just crazy..maybe its just me.

I believe its up to you to tactfully negotiate what you were promised or else pretty soon you'll find yourself bending over backwards or worse turned around over a barrel.

H.A.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Did you get the job description, details, and money on paper before you took the position?

It always amazes me the number of pilots who dont.

What you expect and what your employer expects out of a pilot (or "chief pilot" or "aviation director" or whatever stupid creative titles so many small private owner operations call themselves) varies widely.

Iron out the details before considering the position! If you are the type to do extra office type work this gives you the chance to up the bucks. If you dont like that thought, it gives you a chance to walk away.

 

[Swamp Fox]

Your office should be in the hangar. If you are the only pilot then you have plenty to do there. Your mission should be to provide safe and efficient air transportation for company employees. This has nothing to do with the office at corporate headquarters. If your boss don't know this it's up to you to educate him. If you don't someone will after you're gone. If this is a new flight department other employees (non flying) will try to compair your duties, compensation, or working hours to their own. You must stop this early and let them know that they are not qualified to do your job and you want nothing to do with their job. Many here who started small have had to deal with this.
You have two choices: Quit or be professional.

It isn't always just the downtown management types that demand "facetime". What do you all think of a chief pilot who demands that his crews spend ALL DAY, 5 DAYS A WEEK at the hangar (except when gone flying, of course)? Get home from a trip Sunday night? See you in the morning! I have known a couple of corporate operations like this. Wouldn't put up with it myself, but to each his own, I guess.

 

[hotwing]

I would just get some time and experience and get out. I worked for one like this my very first job out of flight instructing. I hated it too and went to a regional for 2 years and then later, landed a great job in G550(s) / 450(s) that is with a large company that does not require "face time". We have the opportunity, under a great new manager, to have input via committees that he has formed and can volunteer for projects that have a direct input on our operation...We have staff meeting every once and while, but very few, maybe one per qtr. Don't think that all corp operators are like the one you are describing.

There are some great jobs out there and the way the airlines are doing today, I would much rather be in a corp position than an airline - except for SWA or the like...

Just get a resume together and start searching for a new position... Hopefully your management will wake up one day...

 

[paulsalem]

I am about to start flying for a guy who owns a company in a piston twin. It’s the same deal, on call and salaried.

I noticed that FokkerFlyer mentioned getting a job description.

Would it be inappropriate to type up something of my own and ask my boss to sign it? Or should I ask him to make one up for me, and then negotiate with him if necessary?

Thanks guys.

 

[CAVOK69]

I did have a job description, which did not entail these duties. In fact I was told ths was not required. So I think the best I can do is keep on trucking until I feel I have fulfilled my obligation. (even though no contract)

 

[501261]

Lesson

They have had several pilots before me and it was that way with them too.
Guess I am the only one it bothers.

There's a lesson to be learned there. All too often we pilots are willing to do all kinds of BS. If your predecessors had some "integrity for the profession" you won't be in this situation. Coming in on your off days, if it's not in you job description is BS.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I did have a job description, which did not entail these duties. In fact I was told ths was not required. So I think the best I can do is keep on trucking until I feel I have fulfilled my obligation. (even though no contract)

you have no obligation. Just move on ASAP and say Thanks. I would also mention that the office BS time is the reason you are leaving. Maybe it will help the next guy. Who am I kidding...no it wont.

Your situation is far from normal in most corp. jobs

Good luck in the job search! It seems like a good market right now, where are you looking?

 

[some_dude]

If you have a written job description, what is the problem? Don't show up at the office. If anyone questions why you are not there, tell them "it's not in my job description" and refer them to the job description. Tactfully, of course.

And, while you are at it, start looking for a new job.

I did have a job description, which did not entail these duties. In fact I was told ths was not required. So I think the best I can do is keep on trucking until I feel I have fulfilled my obligation. (even though no contract)

 

[CAVOK69]

no written job description. IT is the kinda thing where I know I can say No, and I have already tried to in a tactful way of course. But it does make for an uncomfortable work environment as the company is extremely small.

You are right though, the corporate job market is pretty good now and I don't think I would have a problem finding something else. But i haven't been here long and I don't want the reputation for leaving jobs all of the time.