oceanic clearance

[Diesel]

hey g100 just like my wife.

 

[G100driver]

With all due respect to the experts out here.

The only question that is dumb is the one not asked. While it might seem basic to some, it is still outside the norm for non-international guys. Perhaps this is coffee's 1st cross and he does not want to seem like a novice to the old salty PIC who has been doing this for years. I do not know, but I am not going to jump his $hit for asking a question. You guys need to get over yourselves.

I took the class as well and I still had some questions on my 1st cross as well. I was the PIC. The only difference was I hired one of Dave Storh's instructors to sit on the jump seat and give us advice during the cross. I might suggest this, respectfully, if both crew members are virgins.

Diesel, at least you guys are a match. Heck, allows to watch all of Kimmel and no one is pi$$ed off.

 

[AA717driver]

I, for one, am glad he asked the question. I'm going from Milan to the U.S. tomorrow and I was getting a little sweatty.

Now, I can return to drinking Nasturo safe in the knowlege that I can get my clearance from Shanwick and not look like a moron. TC

 

[Thunderbolt]

Dumb Question?

Did I say it was a Dumb Question?

NOT ME. But does show ignorance (LACK OF KNOWLEDGE) of International procedures.

If you are NOT an EXPERT then turn in your pilots certificates, as PROFESSIONALS we are expected to be experts.

If you lack the knowledge then get the knowledge.

Hiring a qualified International Pilot as I suggested in my original post is the accepted norm for those who are just getting started with Int'l Ops.

( I would be available for a nominal fee )

It is important to be well educated in International Operations, GA operators commit a disporportional number of GNE's (GROSS NAVIGATIONAL ERRORS) in the North Atlantic. In order to keep unrestricted access to this airspace then each of us must be be qualified and knowledgable, an EXPERT!

whewww..

 

[LR25]

With all due respect to the experts out here.

The only question that is dumb is the one not asked. While it might seem basic to some, it is still outside the norm for non-international guys. Perhaps this is coffee's 1st cross and he does not want to seem like a novice to the old salty PIC who has been doing this for years. I do not know, but I am not going to jump his $hit for asking a question. You guys need to get over yourselves.

I took the class as well and I still had some questions on my 1st cross as well. I was the PIC. The only difference was I hired one of Dave Storh's instructors to sit on the jump seat and give us advice during the cross. I might suggest this, respectfully, if both crew members are virgins.

Diesel, at least you guys are a match. Heck, allows to watch all of Kimmel and no one is pi$$ed off.

Excellent post.

 

[CRAZY LEGS]

well said

With all due respect to the experts out here.

The only question that is dumb is the one not asked. While it might seem basic to some, it is still outside the norm for non-international guys. Perhaps this is coffee's 1st cross and he does not want to seem like a novice to the old salty PIC who has been doing this for years. I do not know, but I am not going to jump his $hit for asking a question. You guys need to get over yourselves.

I took the class as well and I still had some questions on my 1st cross as well. I was the PIC. The only difference was I hired one of Dave Storh's instructors to sit on the jump seat and give us advice during the cross. I might suggest this, respectfully, if both crew members are virgins.

Diesel, at least you guys are a match. Heck, allows to watch all of Kimmel and no one is pi$$ed off.

You should have taken Dave Storh along. etc, etc, etc, etc....

 

[G100driver]

You should have taken Dave Storh along. etc, etc, etc, etc....

I wanted to take him, but he does not fit very well into a jump seat! He also just had knee surgery.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

how to get oceanic clearance and when?

I am going from Milan to Gander!

Not to bash you, but I agree with some of the others here. If you are the PIC and it is your first crossing as it appears, I would look into finding a contract F/O with experience in Oceanic procedures.

If you are the F/O going with an experienced Capt. read the oceanic charts and procedures, it is all there for you if sometimes hard to find. Have your info ready and written down prior to the position report including any MET report if required. It will make things much easier, I cannot tell you how many times I have heard boneheads try to do it from memory like a guy that has been crossing for years and screw it all up and tie up the HF freq for 10 minutes while they try to figure out what the heck they are doing. Make sure you have a copy of the current Nattrack message, but still be expecting changes in your route. Write down the longs, ie, 20 30 40 etc on a little pad or something so you can quickly write down any lat changes from filed or planned. That way you can compare it quickly to the filed route and make sure you are assigned the route you think you are. As mentioned above the format for both the clearance and position reports is on the charts, give it to them in the correct order and verbage and things will go smooth for you. Again there are many many boneheads out there that give a screwed up Position report trying to talk like they do in the states....Three five O instead of three five zero, screwing up the estimated time, giving the "next" as the "estimate " fix etc etc...

From experience, I flew 121 all over the western hemisphere for years before doing the north atlantic, and even after international school at the airline I still felt like a bumbling idiot on the first crossing as an F/O.

As far as your question, get the clearance as early as you can, sometimes it can take a while when dealing with Shanwick or Gander due to HF congestion or weather. Make sure you are spot on when giving your estimate to the entry point, they get P/O'ed if you miss it because it screws up their spacing and makes a headache for them. Gander ATC normally prompts you to switch over to Gander Radio to get your clearance and gives you a VFR freq to do so, Eurocontrol (where ever you may be) Coming up on Shanwick you are normally on your own and nobody will prompt you or remind you to get it, so start early if you need to to be sure you have time to get all the info straight, especially if you are new to it.

Hope this helps a bit.

 

[G100driver]

Another thing to do while you are bored flying acorss the Atlantic is do not turn off the HF for a while. Listen how a position report is given by airline guys. The report is the same as the Pacific but words like "next" and "estimating" are not used.

Have a good cross.

 

[Guitar rocker]

If you have to ask this question here, you are not qualified to operate in MNPS.

Baaa baaaa baaaaa! You forgot to put down BE-99 A/B models in your experience listing there. You always looked like a real professional sitting in the left seat of the "airliner."