NWA's money losing regional's

[nwaredtail]

Sad, even though Pinnacle has about the lowest pay in the industry, NWA still lost 80 million last quarter on their regional operation. This is with no "special charges and expenses" this time. This includes Mesaba also.. Looks like some paycuts may be coming when NWA ALPA demands lower regional expenses before they take another paycut. Welcome to the sinking ship folks...

 

[othello]

Where did you get your information?

 

[Andy Neill]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050421/cgth024.html?.v=8

This report cites $356 million in Regional Carrier Expense and $276 million in Regional Carrier Revenue. I guess that's where.

 

[Waylon]

I like your attitude if an airline is losing money lets just cut the pilots pay and the problem will obviously fix itself. The first pay rates to be cut will be the 70-90 seat pay rates!

 

[Jimdandy]

I guess thats why they keep giving the regionals flying and taking it away from you.

Come on Neill and Redtail... Nwa is trying to give XJ a big load of crjs and also negotiate a new pay scale with 9e so of course they are going to work the books in such a fashion that says the regionals are losing money.

Otherwise why would they continue to grow the regionals what did they report... 34% growth in 05 alone WOW.

I don't think with 9e pay scale and xjs pay scale nwa is losing money on their ticket sales.

It is possible though that the regionals are just losing less money than you so they have no choice but to go with them. Now wouldn't that be sad!!

Remeber xj or 9e is not the enemy you have to look within your own company and stop blaming others for your woes. But it is typical NWA mainline rehortic to blame everyone but yourself.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

nwaredtail, you crack me up man. You talk as if XJ or 9E managment have absolutely anything to do with the amount of money mainline "loses" on our operation. Reality check dude.. We have absolutely NOTHING to do with that final dollar value. I'm not sure how 9E's agreement works but XJ is payed a fixed amount for every ontime op, I believe. Now, if NW was losing money in the deal, you'd think that there would be renegotiation of the contract. Well, that hasn't happened, so don't blame the regionals. Look to your bean-counters and management!

As for paycuts at the regional level, how do you say "blood from a turnip???" Fine, I'll give in to a pay cut. I'll turn over my food stamps to the company if that'll help ease the burden. Give me a break.

 

[surplus1]

Sad, even though Pinnacle has about the lowest pay in the industry, NWA still lost 80 million last quarter on their regional operation. This is with no "special charges and expenses" this time. This includes Mesaba also.. Looks like some paycuts may be coming when NWA ALPA demands lower regional expenses before they take another paycut. Welcome to the sinking ship folks...

I think it would be a great idea if all those little jets and saabs were transferred from MSA and PCL to NWA. That way you could enjoy flying them and lose 200 million instead of 80 million. You could than enjoy an even bigger paycut at NWA ALPA to save your "sinking ship" from foundering.

 

[FlyingFerris]

I was under the impression main line takes the risk on the pay per departure deal. So XJ and 9e can't be blamed for doing what they're contractually obligated to do.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

are there still any rumors of adding a 3rd carrier, or has that idea kind of fizzled out?

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Haven't heard anything about it as of lately...

 

[saabass]

Sad, even though Pinnacle has about the lowest pay in the industry, NWA still lost 80 million last quarter on their regional operation. This is with no "special charges and expenses" this time. This includes Mesaba also.. Looks like some paycuts may be coming when NWA ALPA demands lower regional expenses before they take another paycut. Welcome to the sinking ship folks...

I don't have any more money to give... my family has to eat right? We are already living at mom and dads...

 

[Simon Says]

Now that is funny.......A mainline guy telling a regional guy that he needs a pay cut.

Come on now. I don't go to work to let business man Bob fly coast to coast for 300 bucks. What the airlines need to do is raise their stinkin prices to cover costs. Not take it out of our already low pay checks.

 

[Towelie]

Sad, even though Pinnacle has about the lowest pay in the industry, NWA still lost 80 million last quarter on their regional operation. This is with no "special charges and expenses" this time. This includes Mesaba also.. Looks like some paycuts may be coming when NWA ALPA demands lower regional expenses before they take another paycut. Welcome to the sinking ship folks...

Hold on a second, tiger. It's not quite that easy. You are reading in WAY too much on this. You can't take "regional expenses" and "regional revenue" and find out how it all evens out. It doesn't work that way. The formula is much more complicated than that.

Why do you continue to blame the regionals for the failure of your airline to succeed? If the regionals were losing that much money they would be shut down tomorrow. YOUR company negotiated the contracts, my friend.

I say again, the formula is not that easy. So either you are rock stupid or your management is. Either way, don't blame the regionals for your problems. Get your own house in order.

Oh... and if we were such a "sinking ship" why would NWA expand regionals while shrinking the mainline? Because they want to lose MORE money???

Get a clue, dude.

Out -

Towelie

 

[psycho]

Hey NWAREDTAIL,

Always wonder why more NWA guys do not post thoughts on this board. Even at the "major's" section mostly LCC dudes sharing thoughts. We at Pinnacle welcomed your displaced brothers and many of them are captains here.
Don't appreciate hearing from my cousin who works F-16's here in Michigan that he will never bring up the subject in conversation with pilots again that I fly RJ's. Heard the whole story about how we are SCABS. I am ALPA and pay dues just like you'all.
Who is to blame for the furloughs of the early 90's since there were no RJ's to speak of.
I blame your MEC for getting me stuck in this jet in the first place. Just stuck their head in the sand and pretended these monstrosities would not roll off the line in Canada. When will that thinking stop?

How about a bridge with the 70's. All your furloughees could get first dibs and then us children of a lesser god could fill the seats and flow into mainline. Sounds crazy, but 170's are rollin of the line as we speak. In the words of the immortal poets Hans ans Frans " Hear me now, Beeleeb me latah. No disrespect intented Bro.

 

[dbrownie]

Hey NWAREDTAIL,

Always wonder why more NWA guys do not post thoughts on this board. Even at the "major's" section mostly LCC dudes sharing thoughts. We at Pinnacle welcomed your displaced brothers and many of them are captains here.
Don't appreciate hearing from my cousin who works F-16's here in Michigan that he will never bring up the subject in conversation with pilots again that I fly RJ's. Heard the whole story about how we are SCABS. I am ALPA and pay dues just like you'all.


Psycho;

Nwaredtail is very bitter and seems to enjoy flaiming our redtail regionals.
I am sorry, but most of us do not blame you for any problems.


Actually I can say I have never flown with another NWA pilot that blames
our regional for anything! His opinion is not the norm.

How could any of our RJ's be scabs? Your cousin is sadly mistaken as
they say "you can pick your friends but not your relatives".


I think we are lucky that we as a group can co-exist much better
than most of the mainline/feeder operations.

It will be to all our benifits as we add smaller hubs like MKE, IND.

Dave B

 

[psycho]

Hey DB

Thanks for the positive reply. Bad grammer in my post made it sound like my cousin was drillin me about pinnacle, but not so. He is a good guy and was just suprised at the reaction he got from his guard buddies.

When I commute my treatment by NW crews is nothing less than great. I live in Domecile but share custody of my 4yr daughter with her mom in SAC. Your Flight crews, F/A's and Gate agents always rock!! and make a difficult situation so much better.

As for our place at Pinnacle : We mostly consider ourselves as class A ballplayers hoping to get a shot at the big leagues. Don't want none of your action down here. So as to scope, Give them Hell.

P.S. Can't wait to see your furloughed bros called back, but will miss the guys we will lose. See Ya