NWA's MEC describes present position

[LandGreen]

Don't worry once the merger is complete the real BOB will bring management to its knees just like last summer,,

i would be surprised if most NWA pilots thought this would be a smart move...especially the junior ones...this strategy would play right into management's playbook, and provide incentive for an accelerated fleet "rationalization" plan.

without a SLI, NWA hardballers will be sacrificing their young to stomp their feet. i don't know if i'd be letting my CA's scuttle the ship at my expense and not theirs...

if i were a junior guy at NWA i'd be lighting a fire under the arses of my MEC to start negotiating for SLI.

 

[~~~^~~~]

....if i were a junior guy at NWA i'd be lighting a fire under the arses of my MEC to start negotiating for SLI.

Wise statement...

When ordered to knock out the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said: "Yes, I can run wild in the Pacific for six months, but then what?" After the attack, it was too late to make a deal.

DALPA should beware the long-term consequences of "victory". Now is the time to demonstrate wisdom by offering NWALPA a face-saving compromise. Arbitration is always a crapshoot and will almost certainly result in an angry, divided pilot group.

Tom, I think you underestimate the DAL pilots' staying power as well as the willingness of the US to give in to Japan's version of a manifest destiny. But, I agree with the point you are making. Olive Branches, Invitations, a Dozen Roses and a Bottle of Wine have been sent.

Maybe "sulking" would be a more historically accurate description. I know it costs a pair of shoes to pull my wife out of a funk. What does it take to establish relations with a sulking MEC?

 

[filejw]

i would be surprised if most NWA pilots thought this would be a smart move...especially the junior ones...this strategy would play right into management's playbook, and provide incentive for an accelerated fleet "rationalization" plan.

without a SLI, NWA hardballers will be sacrificing their young to stomp their feet. i don't know if i'd be letting my CA's scuttle the ship at my expense and not theirs...

if i were a junior guy at NWA i'd be lighting a fire under the arses of my MEC to start negotiating for SLI.

BOB was a creation of the Jr guys.

 

[Hutchman]

ALPA will not survive this merger much like the AAA/AWA one. This is management union busting at its finest hour.

I doubt that. Delta has more pilots than NWA so the union would remain intact. US Air East out numbered the West. The vote was right on party lines with only 500 East pilots voting to keep ALPA. My guess is the 500 were the same that got stapled to the Top of the list.

Delta has the advantage in the merger and they are also the bigger company.

 

[generaltso]

What is NWA's record of going to arbitration?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Olive Branches, Invitations, a Dozen Roses and a Bottle of Wine have been sent.

Really? Latest we hear is that DALPA won't even pick up the phone when we call. Once again, your mouth says one thing and your feet do another.

 

[Noserider76]

Really? Latest we hear is that DALPA won't even pick up the phone when we call. Once again, your mouth says one thing and your feet do another.

Could it be because that's what they want you to hear? It's hard to rally your troops behind a hardened position when word keeps getting out that the other side was, is, and will keep trying to compromise for the benefit of all......

 

[Speedtape]

Really? Latest we hear is that DALPA won't even pick up the phone when we call. Once again, your mouth says one thing and your feet do another.

Welcome to the "World of Lee Moak!" In case you don't know, he takes no prisoners and his arrogance in his own pilot group is "Open and Notorious!" He's an opportunist, and he views this as another self promoting adventure. If the truths is to be known, both sides are at fault--and the company wins!

 

[Superpilot92]

Could it be because that's what they want you to hear? It's hard to rally your troops behind a hardened position when word keeps getting out that the other side was, is, and will keep trying to compromise for the benefit of all......

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2008/04/19/dalmoak_0420.html

or it could be stuff like this that causes problems. I really hope the MECs start WORKING TOGETHER. We should have been working together from the start.

 

[NuGuy]

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2008/04/19/dalmoak_0420.html

or it could be stuff like this that causes problems. I really hope the MECs start WORKING TOGETHER. We should have been working together from the start.

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[Noserider76]

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2008/04/19/dalmoak_0420.html

or it could be stuff like this that causes problems. I really hope the MECs start WORKING TOGETHER. We should have been working together from the start.

You know there's a pissing contest that has been going on between a few pilots and the current MEC. You may remember an attempted recall of an LEC a couple months ago that was resoundingly defeated? One of those quoted was one of the ones that attempted the recall. Coincidence?

If it turns out that our guys are not working in the best interests of the pilots (that includes aggressively working towards an acceptable combined list and contract) they will have a problem with membership. So far my information says they are trying to work this for the benefit of all. If it turns out it's your MEC is stonewalling or holding the enitre group hostage to the red book green book conflict, what are you going to do about it?

Does anyone think a private ALPA forum for NWA and DL guys only, to exchange ideas would be of value or would it just turn into another giant pissing contest between the usual suspects? What are the chances the MECs would go for it?

 

[another cfii]

Amen. This SLI mess has been dragging on long enough, and it will take that much longer to rebuild the combined company. There has been enough speculations all over the places, from rumors to message boards like these. All it does is separate our groups further apart, when we should be working more closely together to get a good contract, with our single sight on our mgmt, not each other.

The day if we go into SLI arbitration, we lose, period. I don't care if you're #1 on the NWA side, or the plug at DAL. You may be awarded a better position than you expected, but guess what? For every pilot that feel they got screwed, the synergies are negated in the merger.

There're a few on here that thinks that they won't do any worse than arbitration, think again. We have to think as a whole group, not just individual positions. If we fail as a group, our company falters, there will not be a paycheck to speak of, and paychecks don't care if you're #1 or #12000 in the company.

 

[PCL_128]

When ordered to knock out the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said: "Yes, I can run wild in the Pacific for six months, but then what?" After the attack, it was too late to make a deal.

DALPA should beware the long-term consequences of "victory". Now is the time to demonstrate wisdom by offering NWALPA a face-saving compromise. Arbitration is always a crapshoot and will almost certainly result in an angry, divided pilot group. There will be future battles with management, and all the pilots need to be on the same team. As of now, it is not too late to make a deal.

Very wise words. Hopefully both MECs will listen to this kind of advice. Otherwise, everyone will be in for a really rough time the next few years.

 

[PCL_128]

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/delta/stories/2008/04/19/dalmoak_0420.html

or it could be stuff like this that causes problems. I really hope the MECs start WORKING TOGETHER. We should have been working together from the start.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is in full-on Moak-gasm mode. This is at least the third time in the past few years that he's been featured on the front page of the AJC. In his defense, though, I don't really think he milks it. He rarely interviews for these things and tries to play them up. They just run articles on him.

 

[jetflier]

I doubt that. Delta has more pilots than NWA so the union would remain intact. US Air East out numbered the West. The vote was right on party lines with only 500 East pilots voting to keep ALPA. My guess is the 500 were the same that got stapled to the Top of the list.

Delta has the advantage in the merger and they are also the bigger company.

It's my understanding that if prior to the merger, NWA votes out ALPA, then according to the new law the merger goes by seniority. Didn't USAir and AW prove that...