NWA TA ratified

[Enterprise]

MEC Hotline Wednesday, May. 3rd.

This is a special NWA Master Executive Council (MEC) Hotline recorded on Wednesday, May 3, 2006.

This Hotline contains new information about the ratification of the Restructuring Tentative Agreement.
RESTRUCTURING TENTATIVE AGREEMENT RATIFIED (5/03/06)
Official results of the Restructuring Tentative Agreement ballot were received this morning. Northwest pilots voted to ratify the Restructuring Tentative Agreement by a margin of 63.42% (2888) voting in favor, vs. 36.58% (1666) voting against. 4554 out of 4801 eligible pilots voted (94.86%). The MEC will meet this afternoon via conference call to discuss the voting results. The Negotiating Committee will soon begin working with Northwest management on a Transition Agreement for implementation of the new contract. This contract does not become effective until all other Northwest labor groups’ 1113(c) cases are concluded. The Northwest flight attendants (PFAA) tentative agreement ballot concludes June 6 and the IAM’s 1113(c) hearing is scheduled to begin on May 15.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing NWA training replacement workers for the IAM.

 

[SEVEN]

The Saga continues.....

 

[Dizel8]

Not really a surprise, although was thinking it would be closer!

 

[vc10]

Not even particularly close. Since the DL agreement seems better than this, we can probably expect the DL pilots to ratify too.

RESTRUCTURING TENTATIVE AGREEMENT RATIFIED (5/03/06)

 

[SEVEN]

The Whipsaw continues......:smash:

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Not really a surprise, although was thinking it would be closer!

My thoughts exactly...

 

[castle bravo]

How about a base, book color and age breakdown on the voting?

 

[JohnDoe]

Hello compass, bye-bye dc-9's.....hello furloughs.

 

[Turtlesfly]

I think we should have an "immigration" day at the airlines . . .

 

[D'Angelo]

Kudos to the NWA guys. They have bal*s for voting what they want and to save their career. It gets really old hearing all these other chest thumpers try to tell another pilot group what to do. "buy those men a beer!"

 

[GogglesPisano]

D'Angelo:

I realize that you're entitled to your opinion, but it seems as though every one of your posts takes a potshot at unions.

Do you work for a non-union carrier? If not, why haven't you applied to one if you're that fed up?

 

[Diesel-9]

Actually, if it had been voted down, would have seen more furloughs with the company imposing their Feb proposal on work rules etc., and a chance of targeted D.C. going more senior. Will see an even more number of retirements now than has been occuring. Hopefully we won't have to utilize all the protection language in the near future.

 

[81Horse]

How about a base, book color and age breakdown on the voting?

How do you propose to obtain this information from a secret ballot?

I, too, thought it would be closer -- especially after the DL T/A details were revealed.

 

[Diesel-9]

The only vote breakdown will be by each counsel.

 

[81Horse]

The only vote breakdown will be by each counsel.

Hmmm. Let me look into my crystal ball ...

 

[Occam's Razor]

Hmmm. Let me look into my crystal ball ...

Here's a peek:

It passed in every council.

 

[81Horse]

Here's a peek: It passed in every council.

Interesting -- I figured it would go down in flames in DTW, and maybe ANC, too.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Interesting -- I figured it would go down in flames in DTW, and maybe ANC, too.

You'd think. But it looks like babbling is babbling, regardless of the base.

I don't how many more times the pilots in DTW have to vote differently than their reps before they get a clue: Your reps are out-of-touch with you!

Not a rant.

A fact.

 

[sniper]

Not even particularly close. Since the DL agreement seems better than this, we can probably expect the DL pilots to ratify too.

And then have NWA buy DL and NWA'S contract enforced to both....

 

[81Horse]

I don't how many more times the pilots in DTW have to vote differently than their reps before they get a clue: Your reps are out-of-touch with you!

QED, it seems.

 

[Frank Lorenzo]

I would like to be one of the first to congratulate the NWA pilots on a job well done. By lowering the bar to whore wages and signing off on outsourcing all of your DC-9 flying, you will now help collectively lower "industry standard." I always hate bargaining with a pilot group that is pointing to higher paid pilots at other carriers! I think I will start issuing contract openers by grouping NWA in with Mesa and Gulfstream.

I love this! God, I have to fly out to MSP and pop a few corks with Steenland. Maybe I can get Seigel and Wolf to come along. I can't wait to hear how Steenland is going to pocket the proceeds of this give-away!

Zippedy do-da, zippedy-ay, my oh my what a wonderful day!

Thanks again guys!

 

[CaptainMark]

with all the bending over going in the industy...i think this informational picketing is a joke...it seems like the unions get the pilots all fired up and then cave in...we are doing the same at FDX so i not calling the kettle black or anything..it is just sad what has happenned to this industry...and with idiots like fagangelo running around, it will only get worse...

 

[bravodude]

can someone explain to my how they saved their jobs. It looks like they gave up scope which is everything in my opinion

 

[D'Angelo]

with all the bending over going in the industy...i think this informational picketing is a joke...it seems like the unions get the pilots all fired up and then cave in...we are doing the same at FDX so i not calling the kettle black or anything..it is just sad what has happenned to this industry...and with idiots like fagangelo running around, it will only get worse...

This coming from a gentleman who admits he has multiple houses that he owns. Its kind of hard to say this profession is in trouble with a straight face when you can still afford vacation homes down in florida. People like me are actually saving the industry. If everyone was all HOOAH and wanting to go strike for nothing like a tard there would be a lot more people on the street.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Mythbusters used the NW T/A vote to see if pilots really are their own worst enemy. Myth - CONFIRMED!!

 

[RJP]

I can't believe this passed

NWA pilots ratify contract that cuts pay 24%

By JEWEL GOPWANI
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

May 3, 2006

Northwest Airlines pilots accepted a contract that cuts their pay 24% and allows Detroit Metro Airport’s largest carrier to start its own commuter airline.
63.42%, or 2888 pilots voted in favor. 4554 out of 4801 eligible pilots, or 94.86%, voted.
Northwest and its pilots union reached a tentative deal in early March, so a bankruptcy judge wouldn’t have to rule on voiding the pilots’ contract. With the rejection, Northwest could have returned to the judge and sought a ruling. If the judge had canceled the contract, and Northwest implemented new terms, the pilots have said they would have striked.
The contract does the following:
--Continue a temporary 24% pay cut pilots took in November.
--Raise pilots' wages by 1.5% in 2008 through 2010 and 2% in 2011.
--Increase the maximum hours a pilot can fly an aircraft.
--Reduce sick pay.
--Give pilots a 5% match to their contributions into a new 401(k)-style retirement plan. The company's match would increase to 8% by 2011.
The proposed contract is to save Northwest about $360 million a year. It would will last for four calendar years after Northwest emerges from bankruptcy, which could happen in 2007.
Northwest filed for bankruptcy protection Sept. 14, citing soaring jet fuel costs, high labor expenses and competition from low-cost carriers. It seeks to cut $1.4 billion annually from its labor expenses.
In one of the most heated issues of negotiations, the contract would have/will let Northwest start a commuter carrier to fly 90 jets with up to 76 seats. The company initially proposed allowing the subsidiary to fly jets with up to 100 seats, but scaled that back.
The compromise over the subsidiary has little support from younger pilots who fly Northwest's fleet of DC9 planes. As Northwest replaces those planes, which have an average age of more than 34 years, the pilots' jobs could be lost to the new subsidiary or pilots might have to accept lower wages to fly aircrafts smaller than the DC9 in Northwest's main fleet.
But more senior pilots, who have banked pension benefits, have an incentive to see this contract approved. Northwest said in its annual report that the airline would be more likely to terminate its pilots' pension plan if the contract had not been ratified.
The tentative deal would maintain/maintains a 24% pay cut pilots agreed to take in November. That's on top of a 15% pay cut pilots voted to take in 2004.
Before the 24% cut, a 12th-year Boeing 747 captain, among the highest paid pilots at the airline, earned $220.88 an hour in flight, or about $198,900 a year, based on flying an average schedule of 75 hours a month. That wage now has dropped to $168 an hour in flight, or about $151,200 annually.
A 12th-year DC9 first officer made $110.51 an hour, or about $99,900 a year. That now has dropped to $84 an hour or $75,600 a year.
Pilots are paid those wages for the hours they fly, not the hours they're on duty, which can long exceed the time they're in the air due to delays and layovers.

 

[Bringupthebird]

D-Angelo : "I'll have more only if you have less."

Let's see, where is that IGNORE button? Ah, yes..

 

[dbrownie]

Mythbusters used the NW T/A vote to see if pilots really are their own worst enemy. Myth - CONFIRMED!!

Sadly you are correct.

A very dark day for nwa alpa.

A sellout of the junior to save "pensions".

Now watch the surprise and outrage when they are terminated!

What a sad joke.....

Dave B

 

[dbrownie]

You'd think. But it looks like babbling is babbling, regardless of the base.

I don't how many more times the pilots in DTW have to vote differently than their reps before they get a clue: Your reps are out-of-touch with you!

Not a rant.

A fact.

Maybe you should run for rep if your so "in touch" with the "group".

You must be real proud to be on the side that was willing to bend over

again for stealand and his crooks.

Well done you have much to be proud of!!

Dave B