NWA reports it, so it must be true

[General Lee]

Oh, didn't you hear Fins? NWA folks are always in dark, cold, frozen parts of the world. We don't go outside cause the wx's always lousy. If only I could get to Rio......

You most likely never will. The farthest south you do fly is a Saturday only A320 to Liberia, Costa Rica from MSP, and I bet that is a turn with double crews. It is a true fact that you and most of your cohorts are based in very cold places, and that you do endure the cold a lot longer than most people. Your "premium" widebody flying affords you a few different areas to explore, but not much variety. If you want to see Asia, wow, you really can do it. As far as anywhere else in the world, well, you are limited. You do have one daily flight to India (you might want to see that ONCE), and a few to a very select amount of Europe (AMS, CDG, FRA, and LHR (LGW to LHR) on the "premium" A330, and AMS and DUS on the 757. (and a few select 757 runs out of NRT, so Diesel9 can see his lady friend that pumps up his ego). That's great for you guys. Go enjoy your "premium widebody flying...."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

You've got some wiggle room within your generalization...but your conclusion is wrong.

No. It is dead.

 

[FDJ2]

As for your SPC comments, I couldn't make much sense of your reply and it really didn't answer my question to you. Again, are you aware of the circumstances, under the RLA, that allow a strike?

There seems to be some confusion. We are not in section six and this is not about a strike, so why a SPC? Simple, strategic preparedness. The SPC along with our P2P committee and our own unique form a family awareness called the Delta Pilot Network work closely together not only during strike preparations, but also during non strike events, such as filling a convention center with 3000 employees, to kick off our anti-hostile takeover effort, with US Senators and Congressmen in attendance, or filling a Senate Hearing room with uniformed Delta pilots among other things. These committees can work closely together to mobilize different public/political responses as well as facilitate communications from the MEC to the pilots and from pilots to the MEC.

There's a reason management had us involved in merger negotiations from there inception and offered significant financial rewards if we chose to go along with a merger. No one puts money in our pockets because they want to play nice.

It's not about a strike, it's about strategic preparedness and being ready to respond in a variety of ways. If you don't get it, that's fine, it's not about what you get or donm't get, the important thing for us is that management apparently gets it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Well stated

 

[DTW320]

There seems to be some confusion. We are not in section six and this is not about a strike, so why a SPC? Simple, strategic preparedness. The SPC along with our P2P committee and our own unique form a family awareness called the Delta Pilot Network work closely together not only during strike preparations, but also during non strike events, such as filling a convention center with 3000 employees, to kick off our anti-hostile takeover effort, with US Senators and Congressmen in attendance, or filling a Senate Hearing room with uniformed Delta pilots among other things. These committees can work closely together to mobilize different public/political responses as well as facilitate communications from the MEC to the pilots and from pilots to the MEC.

There's a reason management had us involved in merger negotiations from there inception and offered significant financial rewards if we chose to go along with a merger. No one puts money in our pockets because they want to play nice.

It's not about a strike, it's about strategic preparedness and being ready to respond in a variety of ways. If you don't get it, that's fine, it's not about what you get or donm't get, the important thing for us is that management apparently gets it.

Yeah, there's some confusion all right. If you reread the thread you'll see that was referring to fin's comments about having comfortable "walking circle" shoes and a second job lined up. You know, things that seem to go along with the idea of going on strike? He's yet to explain why he needs those things for filling a convention hall. Thanks for all the totally unrelated info though. Get it?

 

[DTW320]

You most likely never will. The farthest south you do fly is a Saturday only A320 to Liberia, Costa Rica from MSP, and I bet that is a turn with double crews. It is a true fact that you and most of your cohorts are based in very cold places, and that you do endure the cold a lot longer than most people. I was HNL based for a while. Missed ya there. Don't live in my current base.Your "premium" widebody flying affords you a few different areas to explore, but not much variety. If you want to see Asia, wow, you really can do it. As far as anywhere else in the world, well, you are limited. You do have one daily flight to India (you might want to see that ONCE), and a few to a very select amount of Europe (AMS, CDG, FRA, and LHR (LGW to LHR) on the "premium" A330, and AMS and DUS on the 757. (and a few select 757 runs out of NRT, so Diesel9 can see his lady friend that pumps up his ego). That's great for you guys. Go enjoy your "premium widebody flying...." Ummmm....Will do sir (psst: I've been on a lot of 10-14day family vacations to the type of places that you spend 20 hrs in on a layover. I'll take that to your working 20 hr vacation any time)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Have fun reading timetables though. You seem to enjoy it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

No. It is dead.

You are wrong.

(This is kinda fun!)

Lemme help you out here.

1. You don't talk to the people who decide if it's "dead" or not. (Not a slam, you just don't. For that matter, neither do I)

2. There is no deadline for putting something together, other than an announcement that a merger will proceed without a pilot pre-nup.

3. Both teams are still very much interested in putting something together (as of 2-hours ago. ), and #1 and #2 still apply.

The sniping on this thread is just "bar talk". The pressure points in the industry are shifting a bit, while the investment structure and options are steady. Those spell o-p-p-o-r-t-u-n-i-t-y for the "geniuses" that pull the strings.

 

[Redmeat]

Have fun reading timetables though. You seem to enjoy it.

Leave it alone DTW. You can't win with these guys.


The ONLY reason Delta wasn't part of a hostile requisition from 'The New US Airways' is because THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS didn't want it...period.
(the shareholders wanted to hear more of what ol' Doogy was pitchin).

Waltzing around capital hill in the Double Breastesees only enlightened the fact that THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS didn't want it.
(and thus stalled the deal long enough for Doogy to pull it sensing a harder battle than he was willing to fight).

If THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS wants THIS deal...I think you are looking at a different animal (especially with Rich at the controls now).

I think it would take a helluva lot more than showing up with the Double Breastesees and the hats.

It would probably take some sort of job action. That would be playing with fire in the current uncertain situation the industry finds itself in. Are you REALLY willing to start over senior guy's? Doubt it.

Good Luck. We'll go ahead and take arbitration when this thing gets forced thru (so BOTH CEO's can start sleeping at night again).

Remember, the CEO's job at a Legacy carrier has been made almost impossible with $110 oil. You can't just shift the entire expense over to ticket prices. Cut labor cost's?...yes...but what's left to cut?

 

[DTW320]

Clever....See what a community college education does for you. Lemme guess....your a riddle guy.
I guess you'd know, since you guys have been doing it like A$$oles for 22 years dude! Wow! Good One!!After all you guys wrote the book (you know, red, green, blue)!Clever!!
I Can't wait for this junior prick to be swinging gear for me! Gee Wally I can't wait! Hey, did you resort to name calling again? Ahh mannn....

I know, its like a DC 9 only with props.And 29 seats! Actually, its better, and more reliable than a DC 9 !Really? Would ya like to compare dispatch reliability numbers for the -9? You're either a former waterskier or a former DullesDweller. Nice to be outta there huh? BTW, You look pretty dumb when you go out and try to spin the props after shutdown on your 737.
737

For the last time, step OVER the wing spar...

 

[DTW320]

Leave it alone DTW. You can't win with these guys.


The ONLY reason Delta wasn't part of a hostile requisition from 'The New US Airways' is because THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS didn't want it...period.
(the shareholders wanted to hear more of what ol' Doogy was pitchin).

Waltzing around capital hill in the Double Breastesees only enlightened the fact that THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS didn't want it.
(and thus stalled the deal long enough for Doogy to pull it sensing a harder battle than he was willing to fight).

If THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS wants THIS deal...I think you are looking at a different animal (especially with Rich at the controls now).

I think it would take a helluva lot more than showing up with the Double Breastesees and the hats.

It would probably take some sort of job action. That would be playing with fire in the current uncertain situation the industry finds itself in. Are you REALLY willing to start over senior guy's? Doubt it.

Good Luck. We'll go ahead and take arbitration when this thing gets forced thru (so BOTH CEO's can start sleeping at night again).

Remember, the CEO's job at a Legacy carrier has been made almost impossible with $110 oil. You can't just shift the entire expense over to ticket prices. Cut labor cost's?...yes...but what's left to cut?

Come on meat....Don't ruin it for me man!! I was still swooning over the whole "filling stadiums" thing. Quick! To the Bat Poles, General!!! Maybe an airdrop on the Georgia Dome! As a former Family Awareness Coordinator during an actual Strike, I'm simply in awe.

 

[737 Pylt]

Lemme guess....your a riddle guy.

There you go, working without the proper tools!

And no big surprise here, you'd be wrong, AGAIN!

Wow! Good One!!

Thanks, I figured, even someone with limited intelligence such as yourself, you'd understand...

Clever!!

No, just honest!

Gee Wally I can't wait! Hey, did you resort to name calling again? Ahh mannn....

Thanks Sparky, just following your precedence. (I realize that's a bigger word than you're used to sport, but even YOU can figure it out.)

And 29 seats!

And with a flt. attendant less than 80 years old....But wait, at least the age of the airplane matches!:laugh:

Really? Would ya like to compare dispatch reliability numbers for the -9? You're either a former waterskier or a former DullesDweller. Nice to be outta there huh? BTW, You look pretty dumb when you go out and try to spin the props after shutdown on your 737.
Not as dumb as asking for that heading!


For the last time, step OVER the wing spar

Its all in the past, and still better than having to excuse yourself while waddling your fat ass to the back of the "trusty 9" walk of shame lav visit!

AMF

737

 

[FDJ2]

Yeah, there's some confusion all right. If you reread the thread you'll see that was referring to fin's comments about having comfortable "walking circle" shoes and a second job lined up. You know, things that seem to go along with the idea of going on strike? He's yet to explain why he needs those things for filling a convention hall. Thanks for all the totally unrelated info though. Get it?

You can do quite a bit of walking without going on strike or supporting a strike and sometimes walk in circles too. Results are what matters, there are many ways to get results.

 

[General Lee]

Have fun reading timetables though. You seem to enjoy it.

You were Honolulu based? Will you ever be again? Now you are DTW based. Big difference. Ouch. And, the A320 won't get you to HNL. If you want to go, I would bid the 757 and try to get those flights from DTW via SFO, LAX, PDX, and SEA. (Yeah, I saw that in a timetable) And yes, a 14 day vacation to a tropical location would be better than 20 hours (although Rio is 36 hours, along with Santiago, Buenos Aires, etc). But, you always have to go back to Detroit. Not me. I also like it when someone else pays for my "mini vacation".


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

You are wrong.

No, you are wrong.

(This is kinda fun!)

Yes it is.

Lemme help you out here.

Please do.

1. You don't talk to the people who decide if it's "dead" or not. (Not a slam, you just don't. For that matter, neither do I)

Hmmm, by your own admission you don't know and don't talk to the folks that matter. I do. If by folks that matter you mean members of our MEC. Anything done without both pilot groups, I think we could both agree, would be outside of the transaction framework agreement.

2. There is no deadline for putting something together, other than an announcement that a merger will proceed without a pilot pre-nup.

Well there are no deadlines in this industry. Anything is possible, but not everything is probable. Delta could announce the purchase of UPS. Sure it's possible, just highly improbable.

3. Both teams are still very much interested in putting something together (as of 2-hours ago. ), and #1 and #2 still apply.

I thought you didn't talk to the folks that matter.

The sniping on this thread is just "bar talk". The pressure points in the industry are shifting a bit, while the investment structure and options are steady. Those spell o-p-p-o-r-t-u-n-i-t-y for the "geniuses" that pull the strings.

That doesn't spell transaction framework agreement.
I have been hearing quite a bit about opportunities lately, from people that matter, but not regarding NWA.

 

[FDJ2]

Leave it alone DTW. You can't win with these guys.


The ONLY reason Delta wasn't part of a hostile requisition from 'The New US Airways' is because THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS didn't want it...period.

Geez, and all this time I thought that decision was made by the Committee of Unsecured Creditors. Who says you can't learn something on F.I.? I wonder who was on that committee, maybe Redmeat can tell me, he seems to know everything.