NWA reaches TA with pilots

[Enterprise]

I just found this on the NWALPA site


ALPA & MANAGEMENT REACH TENTATIVE AGREEMENT
ALPA and Northwest negotiators reached a tentative agreement (TA) at 11:00 a.m. CST today. The details of the TA will be presented this evening to the NWA Master Executive Council (MEC). Once the MEC takes the necessary time to review and discuss the details, the MEC will vote on whether to approve or reject the TA. If the MEC votes to approve the TA, it will be sent out to the membership for ratification. Details will be provided once the union leadership has reviewed the TA.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Can't wait to see this thing.

 

[gkrangers]

3 hours old and nobody posted it?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

3 hours old and nobody posted it?

It was announced at 2 pm CST

 

[gkrangers]

It was announced at 2 pm CST

Gotcha.

Hopefully this is decent...but its gotta mean concessions.

 

[IXLR8]

small jets

It will be interesting to see how the language turned out for flying the smaller jets...

 

[AAflyer]

It will be interesting to see how the language turned out for flying the smaller jets...

Interesting is an understatement. It could set the tone for the rest of us.

Good Luck Guys.

AA

 

[lowecur]

Go EMB

This is great news for the airline and it's pilot's. I'm sure there was plenty of give and take. It will also serve to help the arbitrators as DL moves towards a new TA.

They say they are looking at both the CRJ900 and the E-jets. My guess is they will place an order in the next 6 months for at least 100 with an option for more. The scales are starting to tip for more big orders.

:beer:
imp:

 

[IXLR8]

AAflyer

I agree......good luck everyone!!

 

[gkrangers]

Is this fight more about scope or compensation?

 

[AAflyer]

It sounded like NEWCO was not even worth discussing, and outsourcing that flying would bring on a strike. However I should let the NWA speak for themselves.

AA

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Most likely a scope relax to 70 some seats with an exchange to keep the DC-9 replacements out of a newco. It is likely NWA will look to start another regional to do the 70 seat flying. Either a new certificate, maybe FLyi, or a liquidated XJ. That is my opinion though.

 

[IXLR8]

"Details will be provided once the union leadership has reviewed the TA."
from the ALPA NWA web site..

 

[SWA/FO]

Hopefully this is decent...but its gotta mean concessions.

You think?

 

[gkrangers]

You think?

Sorry...I know thats obvious...

 

[gkrangers]

Most likely a scope relax to 70 some seats with an exchange to keep the DC-9 replacements out of a newco. It is likely NWA will look to start another regional to do the 70 seat flying. Either a new certificate, maybe FLyi, or a liquidated XJ. That is my opinion though.

So what you are saying is that mainline would have all flying over 70 seats. Hence the 900 or 190, etc...

 

[PulluP]

It seems ridiculous to have mainline flying EMB-190s or CRJ-900s while a regional operates the EMB-170s or CRJ-700s as the type ratings are respectively the same; a total waste in training costs.

Would they (or have they) considered the A318? Essentially a 100-seater and no training costs for mainline....

 

[Bringupthebird]

It seems ridiculous to have mainline flying EMB-190s or CRJ-900s while a regional operates the EMB-170s or CRJ-700s as the type ratings are respectively the same; a total waste in training costs.

Would they (or have they) considered the A318? Essentially a 100-seater and no training costs for mainline....

The regionals should be paying their own training costs, so who cares? A318? Frontier seems to have had their fill of those things.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Actually, I think it would be a good thing if all the regional were flying the E170 only. If i'm not mistaken, that would move minimum times up to 1500TT before you can get a job.

 

[Bringupthebird]

You think?

Why would a SWA pilot care about possible concessions at NW?

 

[AAflyer]

It seems ridiculous to have mainline flying EMB-190s or CRJ-900s while a regional operates the EMB-170s or CRJ-700s as the type ratings are respectively the same; a total waste in training costs.

Would they (or have they) considered the A318? Essentially a 100-seater and no training costs for mainline....

Ridiculous? Jetblue operates the 190 at mainline. The new Usairways will operate the 190 at mainline, ( I believe their regional flies the 170).

I guess that was reasoning for future 70 and 100 seaters being flown by regionals. Pilots at the mainline carriers realize management will try to scope out and outsource as much has they can, infact they will do it at any level.

Capture the flying and work on the pay rates.

AA

 

[Dizel8]

"The tentative agreement is a painful but necessary part of a successful restructuring of Northwest Airlines," said Mark McClain, head of the Northwest branch of ALPA. "If all of us can distance ourselves from these recent labor struggles and focus on ensuring the future success of Northwest we can begin looking forward to our emergence from bankruptcy as a proud and profitable airline."

Sounds like he blieves it is a workable deal!

 

[USNFDX]

Why would a SWA pilot care about possible concessions at NW?

Because it makes himself feel better...helps him carry that "chip"

 

[Bringupthebird]

"Capturing" the flying seems pretty elusive, as the MDA pilots found out and XJT are discovering. Make sure that you're not just setting a new benchmark for all payrates and giving the company more leverage (do it or the E-190's go away...)

 

[AAflyer]

Very true,

Setting the pay-rates and taking delivery, also making sure it is not farmed out in some. Good clarification.


AA

 

[shon7]

"The tentative agreement is a painful but necessary part of a successful restructuring of Northwest Airlines," said Mark McClain, head of the Northwest branch of ALPA. "If all of us can distance ourselves from these recent labor struggles and focus on ensuring the future success of Northwest we can begin looking forward to our emergence from bankruptcy as a proud and profitable airline."

Sounds like he blieves it is a workable deal!

Yeah. This is great. Threaten to strike so that passengers shy away from the airline. Then reach a TA. Neither helps the airline nor helps the pilots.

Now its Deltas turn to do the same.

 

[AAflyer]

I haven't seen any passengers "stray" away from NWA. The MSP airport and flights have been packed, you would be surprised how many people have no clue what is going o anyway.

AA

 

[canyonblue]

Because it makes himself feel better...helps him carry that "chip"

Or, it will affect everyone flying for an airline, even the Navy guys who couldn't get in the Air Force.

 

[Rogue5]

March 3, 2006
Northwest Reaches Tentative Deal With Pilots
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 4:54 p.m. ET

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Pilots reached a tentative pay-cut deal with Northwest Airlines Corp. on Friday, a major step toward ending a showdown that put the bankrupt airline's future in doubt.

The Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association announced the agreement but didn't release details.

The deal would still have to be approved by the union's leadership and members. The union said its leaders would meet Friday night to consider the agreement.

Pilots were the last Northwest union without a deal.

''The tentative agreement is a painful but necessary part of a successful restructuring of Northwest Airlines,'' said Mark McClain, head of the Northwest branch of ALPA. ''If all of us can distance ourselves from these recent labor struggles and focus on ensuring the future success of Northwest we can begin looking forward to our emergence from bankruptcy as a proud and profitable airline.''

Northwest had been seeking to reject its contract with pilots if they didn't agree to pay-cuts and changes in work rules. Intense negotiations took place in New York all week. The stakes rose on Wednesday, when a bankruptcy court judge could have ruled on Northwest's request but chose to wait to give negotiators more time.

The bankruptcy law would have allowed Northwest to impose its terms even without the judge's ruling, but pilots threatened to strike if that happened. Northwest has said a strike could have killed it.

Northwest filed for bankruptcy protection on Sept. 14, and continued its pre-bankruptcy push for $1.4 billion in pay cuts from all its workers.

Pilots had already taken a 15 percent pay cut in late 2004 and another, temporary 24 percent pay cut in bankruptcy. A permanent pay cut was part of the latest round of talks, along with Northwest's push for more flexibility in who flies its smaller jets. Pilots were seeking to own part of Northwest once it emerges from Chapter 11.

On Wednesday, flight attendants reached a tentative agreement with the airline. The airline's baggage handlers and other groundworkers are also voting on whether to accept their own tentative agreement with Northwest.

 

[DTW320]

Yeah. This is great. Threaten to strike so that passengers shy away from the airline. Then reach a TA. Neither helps the airline nor helps the pilots.

Now its Deltas turn to do the same.

NWA February load factor = 81.8%

So, shon, according to you reaching a TA doesn't help the airline or the pilots? WTF? We shouldn't have threatened to strike but should have just bent over and taken whatever NW mercifully gave us? GMAFB.