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propdog

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I have tentative offers with both CAL and NWA. I am currently evaluating the pros and cons of each of these airlines. Here is my list:

CAL pros:

1. Better employee morale compared to NWA
2. 36% (1800 out of 5000) pilots retiring in 10 years
3. Aggressive international expansion
4. Newer equipment
5. Better customer service from a pax. point of view
6. New hires into 737s, 757s and may be even 777s

CAL cons.

1. Already hired around 1500 pilots. I will be at the tail end of the hiring boom.
2. PBS (at both airlines)
3. No medical bennies for 6 months. Cobra can be expensive.

NWA pros.

1. Head end of the hiring boom. I can retire as # 1-5 in the seniority list.
2. 53% (2900 out of 5500) pilots retiring in 10 years
3. More early retirements in NWA compared to CAL
4. Opportunity to fly both boxes and people.
5. I believe fast upgrades are coming to NWA.
(Junior CA on the DC-9 has a seniority number of around 4700 out of 5500. A new-hire is just 800 numbers from holding CA. CAL fast upgrade may have already come and gone. With 1500 new-hires ahead of me, it can be a fairly long wait).
6. International expansion in the form of 18 firm 787s with options for 40 more)
7. New hires going into the 747-FE seat and DC-9 right now. A-320 and 757 not too far away.
8. 150% pay for any flying on top of 80 hrs per month. Company cannot schedule you for more than 90 hrs / month.
9. In the unfortunate event of a furlough, NWA has a cushion at Compass. NWA pilots can flow-down to Compass---I am not sure though.
10. Medical bennies from day 1.

NWA cons.

1. Bad employee morale
2. Bad management-employee relationship
3. Old aircrafts (DC-9)
4. Lack of either an east coast or a west coast base (which can hamper international expansion---I think---however, NWA has pretty significant rights to fly in and out of Tokyo)
5. PBS

[FONT=&quot]Anyone care to add any more facts, rumors or speculations? Which one do you think will be a better fit for a new-hire hired today?
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Let's see here. It seems like your NWA pro list is longer than your pros list for CAL. I think you have your answer. To go a bit farther, your con list for NWA is mostly about morale and a management team. Those things will change several times over the course of your career. If you have the opportunity to get in at the beginning of the hiring wave, and will retire in the top 10 at NWA, go for it.
I love Continental but if I was looking at both right now after all the hiring we've done here and having a chance to get on at NWA right at the beginining of this wave, well I think you see where I'd go. Only negative is having to commute. I'd go to NWA and move to one of the bases and enjoy your career. The DC-9 is a great plane and the upgrade will come sooner than you think.

IAHERJ
 
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5. I believe fast upgrades are coming to NWA.
(Junior CA on the DC-9 has a seniority number of around 4700 out of 5500.


4700, No. Most junior just awarded was 4200'ish. Still around 96-97 hire dates I believe that is for captain.
 
NWA has a pilot base in ANC and SEA, in the past has had a pilot base in HNL.

Well, you are correct...that qualifies as west coast bases. I hope they expand SEA...that will make it more accessible to junior people!
 
NWA more likely to merge could hurt new hires especially just ask America West pilots with about 5-6 years of seniority they were getting ready for growth and maybe upgrade and now all that is gone. Also NWA is set to replace DC-9s with planes operated by other companies and that trend could continue......
 
NWA more likely to merge could hurt new hires especially just ask America West pilots with about 5-6 years of seniority they were getting ready for growth and maybe upgrade and now all that is gone. Also NWA is set to replace DC-9s with planes operated by other companies and that trend could continue......


They'll either all (legacies) merge or none.
 
where do you live? whats your commute going to be like? Thats a huge concideration when thinking about QOL. One issue you did not mention is the possibility of mergers.......you should talk to some of the regular posters on this forum, they seem to have the airline merger situation planned out. wink wink....good luck with your choice, whatever you choose, I hope you are happy with it.
 
where do you live? whats your commute going to be like? Thats a huge concideration when thinking about QOL. One issue you did not mention is the possibility of mergers.......you should talk to some of the regular posters on this forum, they seem to have the airline merger situation planned out. wink wink....good luck with your choice, whatever you choose, I hope you are happy with it.

I currently live in Houston...however, I am not opposed to moving to a NWA base, if I take their offer.
 

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