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dbrownie

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Once again nwa mgt has taken care of them selves.

They want to curb atrition of the executives.

Warning Do not read before eating!!!

This is why we don't have a chance.

DBrownie


From AP:

Judge gives NWA authority to extend senior officials' contracts to curb attrition.

NEW YORK -- A federal bankruptcy judge on Tuesday gave Northwest Airlines the authority to extend employment contracts with senior executives in order to curb attrition as the company gets closer to exiting Chapter 11.

The severance packages of Northwest's senior executives previously would not have been guaranteed once the company emerged from bankruptcy court protection. Now the executives will have a level of assurance against any contract changes made by new owners or board members, the company's lawyers said.


Once Northwest Airlines Corp. successfully submits a plan of reorganization to the court, the interest creditors and lenders hold could be converted into equity, meaningfully altering the ownership of the company.

Creditors committee lawyer Scott Hazan called the plan "downside protection in case something goes awry."

The program is effective at the time the restructuring plan is implemented.

The committee of unsecured creditors supported the motion, which covers 41 managers in all, including Chief Executive Douglas Steenland and Chief Financial Officer Neal Cohen. Two of Northwest's major labor unions, the Air Line Pilots Association and the International Association of Machinists union, objected to the plan.

ALPA objected partially on the basis that the company would be free to increase the pay of executives while the same could not be said for workers governed by the collective bargaining agreements that include significant concessions reached through bankruptcy.

IAM said the plan should have been discussed as part of an overall reorganization plan instead.

The plan would include severance payments for certain executives, the majority of whom have been with the company through it bankruptcy process, which it entered on Sept. 14, 2005.

As of a May regulatory filing, Steenland earned a base salary of $516,375, Cohen earned $382,500. Executive Vice Presidents J. Timothy Griffin and Philip Haan had salaries of $401,625, and Andrew Roberts, executive vice president of operations, earned $325,125.

Senior executives had taken pay cuts in late 2005.

The salary levels of 36 other executives included in the plan were not disclosed.

A Northwest lawyer, Bruce Zirinsky of Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft, said the court's approval was necessary to prevent further attrition.
 
Do you feel good about giving up so early in the game?

Maybe MSA ALPA will feel just as good, when they take the concessionary road (just like NWA) and then watch mngt "ask" for bonuses, etc..

You guys are some of the biggest suckers out there! Steenland and the boys are falling over laughing at you every day they go to work.


Way to go NWA!
 
Explain. How do you feel about UAL destroying the bar in all quadrants? CAL introducing lousy work rules forever during their 2 CH-11's. US Airways guys loosing pension, pay and work rules? Delta loosing pension? AMR negotiators caving in after 10 minutes of negotiations further lowering the pay bar. Jet fuel at $150+. Pension obligations climbing. NWA was about the last man standing competeing against all that. With 10% pay raises after 9/11 they still had some profitability. They held on and kept most if not all of the work rules above UAL, US AIRWAYS, CAL and many LCC's in regard to monthly max, duty rig and average day. Negotiations saved about 200 more furloughs vs. work rules management wanted. Pay is easier to get back than work rules. Over 70% have a significant pension frozen, with a targeted D.C. (up to 17%) to get people up to a 50% F.A.E. Equity that looks like it will be $50,000 to $150,000 a person depending on yet to be determined distribution method. Considering the avalanche of concessions before them it could have been alot worse, especially in CH-11. Anyone laying blame to them has target fixation and no situational awareness. Why don't you give them credit for the strikes and personal costs they endured that raised the bar each and everytime. Especially the 1998 strike which was the stepping stone that UAL and DAL enjoyed for a short time with their big raises before 9/11.
 
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Airline executives are some of the lowest paid people in the executive management business world. Take a look at what the execs at NWA have done, they have turned a major loser into a profitable company, all the while shoving a pile a crap down some of the proudest employees throats. These union breakers are going to get huge contracts at other places that are having union issues, i.e. the automotive industry. Apparently customer service has no effect on load factors, so what does it really matter?
 
UAl and USAir did what they did as the industry was starting/in the midst of a downturn. You guys had a MUCH stronger hand - the industry was turning around rapidly. You guys, by your own admission, saw through the mngt BS, yet still voted in this TA. Explain.

As for XJPILOT547 enjoy selling out to mngt, then seeing zero for your efforts!
 
UAl and USAir did what they did as the industry was starting/in the midst of a downturn. You guys had a MUCH stronger hand - the industry was turning around rapidly. You guys, by your own admission, saw through the mngt BS, yet still voted in this TA. Explain.

As for XJPILOT547 enjoy selling out to mngt, then seeing zero for your efforts!
He already did you idiot:
How do you feel about UAL destroying the bar in all quadrants? CAL introducing lousy work rules forever during their 2 CH-11's. US Airways guys loosing pension, pay and work rules? Delta loosing pension? AMR negotiators caving in after 10 minutes of negotiations further lowering the pay bar. Jet fuel at $150+. Pension obligations climbing. NWA was about the last man standing competeing against all that. With 10% pay raises after 9/11 they still had some profitability. They held on and kept most if not all of the work rules above UAL, US AIRWAYS, CAL and many LCC's in regard to monthly max, duty rig and average day. Negotiations saved about 200 more furloughs vs. work rules management wanted. Pay is easier to get back than work rules. Over 70% have a significant pension frozen, with a targeted D.C. (up to 17%) to get people up to a 50% F.A.E. Equity that looks like it will be $50,000 to $150,000 a person depending on yet to be determined distribution method. Considering the avalanche of concessions before them it could have been alot worse, especially in CH-11. Anyone laying blame to them has target fixation and no situational awareness. Why don't you give them credit for the strikes and personal costs they endured that raised the bar each and everytime. Especially the 1998 strike which was the stepping stone that UAL and DAL enjoyed for a short time with their big raises before 9/11.

I forgot that a high school diploma is not a requirement at Chaniqua/Republic. You might as well start socking money away because you will never make it to the big show.
 
It's WAYYYY too easy to suck you guys into wasting your energy on this board! Thanks for the entertainment today - watch for more flame another time whiners!
 
Lowest of Low

Airline executives are some of the lowest paid people in the executive management business world. Take a look at what the execs at NWA have done, they have turned a major loser into a profitable company, all the while shoving a pile a crap down some of the proudest employees throats. These union breakers are going to get huge contracts at other places that are having union issues, i.e. the automotive industry. Apparently customer service has no effect on load factors, so what does it really matter?
There's a reason airline execs are some of the lowest paid in the business world. In the big business CEO world, airline execs are considered the lowest of low. Most CEOs don't even consider the airline CEOs to be in the same league as other big business CEOs. I tend to agree.
 
Makes pefect sense to me, give retention bonuses to the management team that was running the airline when it went bankrupt. Afterall, they did such a fantastic job that you wouldn't want them to LEAVE would you ? It's just the way the business world works; the guys at the top get all of the credit when things go well and none of the blame when things go badly.
 
TAWS, only because I am in Cancun with too much time on my hands and full of margarita's am I giving my 2 cents on this forum. The judge pushed the negotiations, especially on management helping us out. It was deal or no deal that evening. No deal, judge rules, company imposes their plan. Would have meant 200+ more furloughs, UAL, US AIR, LCC (Low Cost Cranium) type work rules. Loss of $100,000+ ave. equity, loss of pension, probably over $100,000k for many. Mine is $75,000 after 18 years (with 12 to go) etc..... Save some things, 200 jobs, and over $2.5 billion in equity and pensions or loose it. DA! Already working on improvements to current rules, should recall all by summer and be starting to hire by fall.
 
Would have meant 200+ more furloughs, UAL, US AIR, LCC (Low Cost Cranium) type work rules. Loss of $100,000+ ave. equity, loss of pension, probably over $100,000k for many. Mine is $75,000 after 18 years (with 12 to go) etc..... Save some things, 200 jobs, and over $2.5 billion in equity and pensions or loose it. DA! Already working on improvements to current rules, should recall all by summer and be starting to hire by fall.

Diesel;

With all due respect are you working at the same place I am?

LCC rules ... we have them. 75% sick pay, 95 hours a month , scumbags
flying 100+ with guys on furlough.

What improvements to our rules are you talking about?

Glad your pension was saved, I personally feel we screwed every
junior guy on the property.

Now mgt wants to reward it self for the "great job" they have done!

They should be in jail!

Dave Brown
 
Would have meant 200+ more furloughs, UAL, US AIR, LCC (Low Cost Cranium) type work rules. Loss of $100,000+ ave. equity, loss of pension, probably over $100,000k for many. Mine is $75,000 after 18 years (with 12 to go) etc..... Save some things, 200 jobs, and over $2.5 billion in equity and pensions or loose it. DA! Already working on improvements to current rules, should recall all by summer and be starting to hire by fall.

Diesel;

With all due respect are you working at the same place I am?

LCC rules ... we have them. 75% sick pay, 95 hours a month , scumbags
flying 100+ with guys on furlough.

What improvements to our rules are you talking about?

Glad your pension was saved, I personally feel we screwed every
junior guy on the property.

Now mgt wants to reward it self for the "great job" they have done!

They should be in jail!

Dave Brown
 
let's see, yup Diesel-9, looks like a "do what I'm told" military guy. I guess a 5 hour average day and working 2-3 more days is OK with him. He also enjoys the worst vacation day credit and worst sick call policy of all the majors and most of the Lcc's.

50% FAE DC plan, funny, Ive been getting 5%, along with my brothers who got to keep their full pension. Nice bonus for them. Sure hope that one comes true, but time will tell.

50-150 grand each pilot huh? Funny, I was told that NWA management is only going to let us sell a "fraction" of our shares soon. Don't buy any new toys or pay the tuition bill yet.

Did Diesel -9 swallow the whole glass of kool aid or almost all of it? The only thing about us and UAL/USAir was timing. (about 2 years or so)
 
along with my brothers who got to keep their full pension. .

Haha...that's funny...That was almost as entertaining as watching Joey Harrington beat the sh1t out of the Lions as the moronic Detroit fans booed him.

Hey Detroit fans...think...New ownership...or you guys will forever suck.

Hey NW guys...think...New management...or you guys will forever suck.


NICE JOB JOEY!!!...left a sh1t organization and excelled in a better organization...
 
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UAL, USAIR, and others are at 4:15 ave. day. monthly max at 95, most with a 4 to 1 rig. Ours slightly reduced to 3.75 to 1. That would be up to 6 days more a month on the road. The D.C. will target everyone to get a 50% F.A.E. after CH-11 exit anticipating 30 Mar 2007. Sick Lv and other things can be improved much easier than the work rules as in the past with L.O.A. 's. For 10% more pay it would have been 200 more furloughs and 4-6 more days on the road with the 95/4:15/4 to 1 rules they avoided. Read the 900 pages of courtroom proceedings, the info available and you will get a better feel of the options and why what choices that were made.
 
Actually the international pilots could have gotten a raise over the 98. This concessionary contract is to offset huge competitive losses on the domestic front. If the pilots had voted this down, the alternative would have been much worse.
 

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