NWA looking for new regional partner

[Mookie]

not to fuel this fire, but SkyWest has options starting in June for a hundred or so CRJ 70's and 90's. These could be delivered at 6 or more per month starting then. at first glance that's insignificant to the NW plight, but United has stated that they would love to have more 70's, and less 50's, and ergo, the 50's could be repainted quickly. hell, the new paintjob is mostly white already. this in no way is anything other than me reading between the lines.

hopefully if we, skywest, come on line with pncl and mesaba, we can in the interminable words of Rodney King..."all get along." I also think that nw is really screwing you guys on this...

peace,
Mookie

 

[Redtailer]

LivinDaDream,

Don't forget how NWA MEC screwed MSA and PCL by allowing them to use up to 15% of the 50 seat RJ flying for Hub Bypass along side of the unlimited 44 seaters... Oh the horror of point to point in an RJ. Yet somehow they feel as though they got a raw deal out of this?!?!?!?

 

[sf3boy]

Dude, quit putting MSA into the 50 seat sentences. I know that most of the mainline guys have no clue who flies what little airplanes here and there, but MSA has no 50 seaters. PCL has 50 seaters. Some of your pension is being funded in hopes that PCL continues to prosper and grow. BTW, whoever sold that to your MEC was an absolute genious. Anyway, MSA is made up of 70% Saabs. The other 30% of the fleet, Avro's, is doing the most ineffiecient trips of all 121 carriers, called 16 hour four days. MSA does not fly point to point, except to the crap towns in MN and MI with the SAAB. Ya'll at mainline are welcome to have those old North Central and Republic DC-9 routes back.

 

[Redtailer]

Dude, quit putting MSA into the 50 seat sentences. I know that most of the mainline guys have no clue who flies what little airplanes here and there, but MSA has no 50 seaters.

sf3boy, cool your jets.

Most folks at mainline know exactly what MSA and PCL flies. I refer to the 50 & 44 seaters with MSA in the sense of what the agreement allows. Any 50 or 44 seater on order could potentially go to MSA and so I include them in all of those statements.

Some of your pension is being funded in hopes that PCL continues to prosper and grow. BTW, whoever sold that to your MEC was an absolute genious.

Well, you're partially right. It was a brilliant move on all parts involved. However, mainline pensions do not depend on the success or failure of PCL because those shares were sold off months ago.

 

[sf3boy]

Well, congrats on selling off the PCL shares. However, until MSA actually has 50 seat airplanes, don't include MSA into the whole "50 seat devil jet" talks. We are a prop airline. That is what our CEO has said that we are going to continue as. That means that the BOD at NWA and MSA told him to say that.

 

[Mel Sharples]

Any 50 or 44 seater on order could potentially go to MSA and so I include them in all of those statements.

I could potentially become Queen of England and NWA could potentially go bankrupt. *yawn*

Doesn't change the here and now.

Look, you may think you didn't kick us in the sack and that's fine. Honestly. We'll get over it. You have your opinion and we have ours. That's what makes America great.

But don't for a second act like you're helping us. We may be complaining about our take on your TA, but now you are changing your tune from "quit blaming us" to "start thanking us."

Homie don't play that, buddy.

 

[DoinTime]

Think what you wish.

It is a 100% correct statement. I have read the agreement... not the PowerPoint slides. There are very specific conditions under which the other 50 seaters can be used.

If you truly read the agreement you would know exactly what it says and you've demonstrated that you don't know what it says. There are no conditions for the addition of those 40 RJ's. I have read your TA several times, in fact its up right in front of me, and I know exactly what it says. There isn't even any language that can be misinterpreted. Your not LivinDaDream your LivinInADreamWorld.

Here is the actual language that pertains to the addition of 40 more 50-seaters.

Section C.9.g.(3):
Up to 40 Regional Jet aircraft to be operated under the NW code designator by an air carrier other than Pinnacle, Mesaba or any affiliate of the Company may be added to the 104 maximum set forth in subparagraph C.9.c. above,
provided that each such additional Regional Jet must be a Regional Jet which is not (a) operated under the NW code designator as of October 11,2004, or (b) on order or option to the Company or any affiliate of the Company as of
October 11, 2004, or (c) ordered or leased by Northwest or any affiliate of the Company after October 11, 2004, or (d) financed in any way by Northwest or any affiliate of the Company. If such aircraft are operated by an airline which
also operates, or which has an affiliate which also operates, aircraft certificated with a maximum passenger capacity of 60 seats or more, the airline may operate these Regional Jets using the NW code designator notwithstanding the provisions of Section 1.C.2.

 

[Mel Sharples]

If you truly read the agreement you would know exactly what it says and you've demonstrated that you don't know what it says. There are no conditions for the addition of those 40 RJ's. I have read your TA several times, in fact its up right in front of me, and I know exactly what it says. There isn't even any language that can be misinterpreted. Your not LivinDaDream your LivinInADreamWorld. Here is the actual language that pertains to the addition of 40 more 50-seaters.

Nothing like shutting someone up with the facts.

Thanks for posting that, DoinTime. Well done. . .

 

[avrodriverj85]

Oh the horror of point to point in an RJ. Yet somehow they feel as though they got a raw deal out of this?!?!?!?

Oh redtailer, the ride in the back of a DC9 with those hideous 50 year old Flight Attendants - point to point is so much better!!!

 

[propjockey]

ragged out ones with 5,000+cycles

Off the subject I know, but that's practically brand new! Multiply that number by 10 to get an idea of what "ragged out" really is. I flew a Brasilia this past week that has about 50,000 cycles on it!