NWA Flowback

[AirportBum]

Does anyone have documented what would happen in the event of a furlough/flowback?

I've heard that the compass flowback would not be in place until the first compass pilot flows up (in about 30 months +/-). Is this the case? How about at Mesaba?

 

[mlifly]

Does anyone have documented what would happen in the event of a furlough/flowback?

I've heard that the compass flowback would not be in place until the first compass pilot flows up (in about 30 months +/-). Is this the case? How about at Mesaba?

Anybody?

 

[IronCityBlue]

How does a merger effect the flow through/back?

 

[Wildmanny]

All bets are off in a merger situation...for everyone. Furloughs are likely, although not guaranteed and nobody has a crystal ball on that. But it can make sense to squeeze as much efficiency out of a merger as is operationally possible. Meaning, shed routes that don't work or overlap, etc. and/or sell planes that are old and aren't efficient (hmm DC-9?).

As for the regional feed--that is completely out the window too. Who knows? Not that they won't need feed in a new mega company, but I would say a severely curtailed form of feed. Additionally, there is a good opportunity for cash to sell those regional companies and form new ones. I worry about Compass in a NWA/DL merger, simply because the guy running it has sold another unit before when he was at USAirways. Compass would be a nice target for someone to buy and start some other feeder, with lower costs while the parent company gets lots of cash from this scenario and said CEO gets a nice big seat at the new combined company. Not good for the bubbas flying there!

I'd say tighten your chinstraps boys--this one will be rough! Good luck!

WM

 

[General Lee]

All bets are off in a merger situation...for everyone. Furloughs are likely, although not guaranteed and nobody has a crystal ball on that. But it can make sense to squeeze as much efficiency out of a merger as is operationally possible. Meaning, shed routes that don't work or overlap, etc. and/or sell planes that are old and aren't efficient (hmm DC-9?).

As for the regional feed--that is completely out the window too. Who knows? Not that they won't need feed in a new mega company, but I would say a severely curtailed form of feed. Additionally, there is a good opportunity for cash to sell those regional companies and form new ones. I worry about Compass in a NWA/DL merger, simply because the guy running it has sold another unit before when he was at USAirways. Compass would be a nice target for someone to buy and start some other feeder, with lower costs while the parent company gets lots of cash from this scenario and said CEO gets a nice big seat at the new combined company. Not good for the bubbas flying there!

I'd say tighten your chinstraps boys--this one will be rough! Good luck!

WM

It will be interesting, no doubt. Delta still wants to hire 600 this year for growth only, and that is for routes that NWA and UAL do not fly to. That could be a cushion for any potential furloughs. Most of the redundencies out there will be concentrated on non flying jobs---like ticket counter people (do you need two ticket counters at each airport?), maybe some ground rampers, and office people, along with management (do you need two high paid CFOs? etc). I think we will be ramping up more INTL flying as more widebodies come along, and the domestic portion will remain flat for awhile. Who knows?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PreContact]

What about NWA's ANC base? Expand the cargo ops there?

 

[AirportBum]

Thanks for the merger speculation, but there are already about 10 other threads going on that.

CURRENTLY what is the flowback agreement between Compass/Mesaba and Northwest?

Thanks

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Well for Mesaba, 3 people are getting seniority based on the Jan 14 class.... Though they are being held back at Mesaba for the 3 months per the LOA. Also per the LOA for the flow only the number that actually flow to NWA can flow back to Mesaba which as of today would be 0. After Jan 14 it's either 0 or 3 (not sure since the 3 are being held from NWA if there would be anyone able to flow back til they actually attend class or not) So don't count on flowing from NWA to Mesaba for a while since there will be very few openings to flow back at least for a year or so.

 

[Superpilot92]

Compass flowback is just that a flowback and no one has to flow up to flow back. The compass deal is very friendly for the NWA pilots and not so much for Compass. flowbacks can displace up to 90% of the Compass seniority list and there is no ratio of flow up flow back. if you flow back to a capt slot at compass you are on 1st or 2nd year captain scales. If you go back to a fo slot at compass you go to 3rd or 4th year for scale. The mesaba deal is a ratio deal. I think 1 for 1. Mesaba flows start being accounted for JAN it starts with 3 a month till Aug then goes to 9 a month there after. Thats the info i have gotten so far. FWIW

 

[California]

Compass flowback is just that a flowback and no one has to flow up to flow back. The compass deal is very friendly for the NWA pilots and not so much for Compass. flowbacks can displace up to 90% of the Compass seniority list and there is no ratio of flow up flow back. if you flow back to a capt slot at compass you are on 1st or 2nd year captain scales. If you go back to a fo slot at compass you go to 3rd or 4th year for scale. The mesaba deal is a ratio deal. I think 1 for 1. Mesaba flows start being accounted for JAN it starts with 3 a month till Aug then goes to 9 a month there after. Thats the info i have gotten so far. FWIW

Can you flow back if you are on probation?

Can you refuse the flowback, go do something else, and comeback to a mainline position?

If NWA merges with some else while you are on probation and you are laid off, are you done forever or can you get called back?

 

[Superpilot92]

Can you flow back if you are on probation?

Can you refuse the flowback, go do something else, and comeback to a mainline position?

If NWA merges with some else while you are on probation and you are laid off, are you done forever or can you get called back?

Unfortunately i dont know that information. Maybe someone else will chime in.

 

[JohnDoe]

Can you refuse the flowback, go do something else, and comeback to a mainline position?

You do not have to flow to compass in order to keep your seniority number during a furlough. You can go to the street, or flow.

You only have one chance to go to compass, however. If you pass, you will not be able to flow until furloughed again. Also, if you accept compass, you can defer you class date until 8 months (6?) into the future (at least it was that way the last time they offered slots to furloughees).

 

[Occam's Razor]

Can you flow back if you are on probation?

Yes. There are no longevity restrictions.

Can you refuse the flowback, go do something else, and comeback to a mainline position?

Sure. You can go on furlough, then wait for recall. It's an option, not a requirement.

If NWA merges with some else while you are on probation and you are laid off, are you done forever or can you get called back?

Per the contract, a merger would have no effect, assuming the language wasn't modified as part of the integration agreement.