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russtgol said:
I dont understand how some of you can be so stupid... All NWA is doing is throwing money into the pot... They will have no say in what the company does... They are just an investor, thats all... They will have no say what goes on in the company... I just cant understand how stupid some of you are... So get your head out of your A&ses PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess NWA will not have any say with how their investment is run. Of course, you must be right!
 
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gt1900 said:
Russtgol... You are wrong, they will have say in the company.. Maybe not directly, but if you don't think they won't have a say in what goes on you are sorely mistaken... Investors are the "owners" of the company, so yes, they have a say.. Just like current MEH shareholders pressured MEH into opening up talks with AAI and NWA... You might wanna read a business 101 book from any college bookstore..
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I know about business and if they started throwing in there 2 cents thats when the anti-trust lawsuits would start... Dip Sh!t!!!!!!
 
russtgol..... You obviously don't know that much about business..Like I said, NWA will have a say in what happens with MEH, wether directly, or indirectly.. They will have a say... You can call me a Dip Sh1t all you want, but I have a degree in economics, and its easy to skirt the laws and get around anit-trust, in small amounts, legally...
 
I predict a US Airways/America West merger! Captain Dad will post the link when its announced.
 
TPG, in its letter to Midwest, said it did not anticipate any issues in obtaining antitrust clearance or other regulatory approvals.
Analysts have long said the industry needed consolidation to reduce excess capacity so airlines can raise fares and derive savings from combining their operations. "But while TPG may be more aggressive in cutting Midwest's capacity, the deal is not likely to make much impact on the industry in terms of reducing supply or spurring deal-making, said JPMorgan analyst Jamie Baker."

That is the main interesting point in that 3 day old article... Like I said before.. I'm glad I'm not a MEH employee right now...
 
gt1900 said:
russtgol..... You obviously don't know that much about business..Like I said, NWA will have a say in what happens with MEH, wether directly, or indirectly.. They will have a say... You can call me a Dip Sh1t all you want, but I have a degree in economics, and its easy to skirt the laws and get around anit-trust, in small amounts, legally...
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Degree in economics, yeah sure you do... I love how you dream this stuff up... Northwest wont have a say... There just a minority investor... Dont you think the other investors would be pist if NWA tries to tear down Midwest? I do think these other investors want to make some money off of this deal... Midwest will manage it's self....

You sure its not a degree in stupidity?
 
gt1900 said:
TPG, in its letter to Midwest, said it did not anticipate any issues in obtaining antitrust clearance or other regulatory approvals.
Analysts have long said the industry needed consolidation to reduce excess capacity so airlines can raise fares and derive savings from combining their operations. "But while TPG may be more aggressive in cutting Midwest's capacity, the deal is not likely to make much impact on the industry in terms of reducing supply or spurring deal-making, said JPMorgan analyst Jamie Baker."

That is the main interesting point in that 3 day old article... Like I said before.. I'm glad I'm not a MEH employee right now...
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I see you are stupid and nieve.... All they are going to do is make it a more efficient airline... A lean mean money making machine you dummy!!!!
 
gt1900 said:
Citation..... Your an Idiot.. The fat lady is singing at the top of her lungs.. MEH is getting bought out, most likely by NWA, so, "they" were right.. MEH isn't strong enough to fight off a takeover....The games over for MEH as it currently stands... Again, "they" were right... Now, the only question is, which of the two evils will the board approve... NWA which wiill never allow MEH to grow and that will eventually lead MEH into bankruptcy. NWA won't care because their only goal is to keep AAI out, not expand MEH and grow the company. NWA is never going to allow MEH to grow and compete against them.... Or, AAI who would make the Midwest name go away, but grow like hell out of MKE which would benefit the employees of MEH and the city of MKE..... ... As far as JL goes.. Hes a hell of a CEO, hes lead AAI through the roughest downturn in airline history and made money every year doing it while growing when everyone else was shrinking.. Plus, he didn't have a huge fuel hedge advantage while doing it.... As far as voting yes for what he thinks were worth.. You need to take any emotion out of it. Its not what he thinks were worth, its about what AAI thinks the pilots may pass as a new contract.. Its business... And no, I'm not voting for it... Im pretty happy making 100hrs of pay a month with weekends and 15 days off. They changed some things on the TA but not enough to make me vote for it.. But don't worry, your gonna be bought out by the company with possibly the worst leadership and employee relations in the industry.. Plus, their about to blow 400+ million on a junk deal, just to keep AAI out... Enjoy yourself over at MEH, that culture you love so much... Well, thats going to be gone as well...
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Mr. economics "college educated" you+are is you're not your. when you call someone an idiot please do so in a coherent manner.

you act like AAI's shiite don't stink. nwa, again is not going to run the day to day operations. if people want to do what they want to do whether or not they like the consequences then they will do it. look what happened at ACA, they were damned sure not going to be working for Ornstein, and by golly they fought tooth and nail successfully to not have that happen. same thing here. you state the only growth will be in RJ's, yet the company is going to replace the MD80's. they simply are not stopping at that and it only makes sense to order more of whatever they're getting. so we won't fly to DTW, MEM, or limit the MSP flights, bfd. NWA could give two turds about domestic operations versus the international cash cow. they are pawning their operations off on compass, pinnacle, mesaba, and now perhaps midwest.

again with the code share in place they can concentrate their domestic routes on where they are now in their domestic hubs. get code share revenue from their now pseudo satellite hubs at MKE and MCI all the while stopping AAI from invading MKE turf. a lot of people want the status quo, and you even admit with TPG it will be the status quo. you can then "cherry pick" those one or two secret decoder routes that MEH makes all it's money on and one day have AAI dominate the world and you can sit at the top laughing and drinking your bottle of milk, belching and being merry.


one day an economist, a scientist, and a janitor were stranded on an island with a can of food and no can opener. the scientist tried to calculate the force needed to break open the jar with a rock but was unsuccessful. the janitor tried to pry open the jar with his flathead screwdriver but was unsuccessful. the economist laughed and said, "you all have it wrong!" the economist then said, "assume can opener."
 
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Russtgol.... Tell me, who are the "other" investors that would have a say? TPG is a private equity firm, so you have no idea if there are "other" investors, besides NWA and TPG..

First off Citation.. I don't act like AAI's chit don't stink.. Never have, just defended it against jacka$$'s like you. Yes I have defended JL, because hes done a hell of a job, like it or not. Ton's of people don't like AAI because of thier past, well guess what. Like us or not, were coming, and JL and BF are bound and determined to be around for a long time. You know they are doing something right when SWA says that AAI is the only airline they really worry about.... JL's track record at AAI speaks for itself. 8 years of profitability. I may not like some of the things the company does, but its probably one of the best managed airlines there is.

And get a little friggen smarter would you. Tell me where I said NWA would run the day to day operations, don't read into things you idiot.. I said they would have a say in what goes on, Timmey will still run the day to day operations, but, he will be NWA's pawn, and he won't be able to make a move without NWA approving it first... I suppose now your gonna tell me NWA doesn't have a say in what Pinnacle, Compass, and Mesabe do either? However, you group Midwest with them in the same sentence..

This kinda reminds me of Starbucks and Seattles Best coffee.. Starbucks decided to buy thier main competitor, Seattles Best. But they still operate it as a seperate company.. Seattles Best was growing like crazy until Starbucks bought them. Now, Starbucks has continued their huge growth while Seattles Best has slowed dramatically.. You can bet your @ss NWA plans on doing the same thing..........

As for my comment on MEH's growth. I'm only stating the truth. MEH is using RJ's for thier growth at this time. Yes, someday they may replace the 80's, but how long have they been saying that? Three, four years now? Like it or not, they have been talking about a new a/c order for several years, and have yet to produce one... Let me know when you hear something....
 
CitationLover hit the nail right on the head. gt1900 maybe you can go help out your boss JL now with his economics on how he is going to make money with all your airplane deliveries with no place to put them. The vast majority of Midwest employees do not want AirTran coming in here and much prefer TPG...why? Because we get to stay MIDWEST not AirTran. MIDWEST is not a low cost, low quality airline like your employer.
 
i lumped us with pinnacle, mesaba, etc because through the code share we are a domestic arm of nwa's domestic revenue. unlike the others, nwa does not dictate to us where to fly, etc except through the original code share agreement which is two sided.

oh well, only being called a jacka$$ is better than your an idiot, i suppose. an upgrade! i guess i'm a democrat then. ;)
 
Goulet... Since they just ordered 15 more I'm sure they can find a place for the airplanes.. Or, they could just sell the build slots for 2 million each.. HMM.. Really dumb business isn't it...
 
twepilot said:
This is awesome...Flightinfo at its best!!! Honey!!! More beer and chips!

RV
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f' you twepilot. my airline can beat your airline up. my ceo is sexier than yours and loves us so much he lowballs us even more. mesa sucks and the general (my hero) is over 9,000 posts.

:)
 
deadstick said:
Um, does Tim know you feel this way?
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well personally "my ceo" is referencing to my wife as i'm sure this applies to most married men on this board........

but now that you mention it, tim is sexy in that old dude, suit wearing, old spice cologne kind of way. :)
 
They're on the button to the right at the bottom of your post screen called "Go Advanced".

Rusty is a new screen name for a guy who's been around this board for a long time. Don't feed the troll, and he'll go away. It's just flamebait...
 

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