NWA 747-200 FE Workload...

[jke406]

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I did 8 months on the panel of a 727, definitely a thankless job but it did have interesting moments. When it starts to get stressful, just look at it this way. Captain Kirk may have commanded the Enterprise, but it wouldn't go anywhere without Scotty RUNNING it.

dude, that's like the water boy taking credit for his team winning the super bowl.

 

[Rough67]

Being an FE is absolutely the worst "flying job" out there. Expect to be degraded and over worked,

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It was a great time for me. Anchorage was nice, crews were fine, and the trips were always interesting. Cool layovers with infinite ammount of new things to see. Domestic right seat flying is fine too, and will always be there..... Have fun with it..

 

[General Lee]

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It was a great time for me. Anchorage was nice, crews were fine, and the trips were always interesting. Cool layovers with infinite ammount of new things to see. Domestic right seat flying is fine too, and will always be there..... Have fun with it..

The FE job is usally good for the Ex-Military guy who has never worked with a crew. It allows him time to watch the operation from a permanent jumpseat. For someone who already has flown as a "crew"--it is a worthless time. I know a guy who was hired at Sun Country and was an FE for 3 years before being furloughed after 9-11. What time did he acrew? Nothing. It was a worthless 3 years that did NOTHING for his logbook.

As far as being a NWA 742 FE in ANC, sure, that could be fun for awhile, and seeing Asia could be nice. But, being the third guy can be tough when the older two guys are always looking at you asking "can you please heat up the cockpit?" "Yes, master" will be your response. Unless you live in ANC, pick the DC-9 when given the choice.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Princedietrich]

dude, that's like the water boy taking credit for his team winning the super bowl.

It's also something to repeat to yourself over and over again when you're stuck sitting sideways on a 4 and a half hour leg to keep from going completely insane. But obviously, you've never riden the panel or you'd be able to relate.

 

[p3flteng]

Anc

The bottom two newhires of Nov 19th class went to the SO in ANC position on the the 747-200.
Everyone else got the DC9 DTW and MEM.

 

[clippyrip]

Yes, I'm from ANC. That is the whole deal, once I hang my hat at a major I'm not building/logging time anymore. So sitting sideways, heating meals and doing a preflight is fine by me. I'll be home!

I spent years loading navajos, flying 20 legs a day in 40 below, this will be a huge step up. Plus second year pay is better than the 9 and I'll be on reserve which is more time at home. I'm looking forward this......

Loving this thread though....

Keep it up.

 

[AA717driver]

"I did 6 months..." "I did 8 months..." WTF? You can't even call yourself a F/E unless you put in a couple of years.

Kids...! TC

P.S.--I was F/E on the L10 for 3 1/2 years but the L10 was so easy, I only got one year's resume credit for it. GL is right about it being a waste of time for resume purposes. Interviewer: "What was your scariest moment as a F/E?" Interviewee: "We left LGA for PBI and the FA said we only had two crew meals. Turns out she was wrong but it was touch and go for a minute..."

 

[flywithruss]

The bottom two newhires of Nov 19th class went to the SO in ANC position on the the 747-200.
Everyone else got the DC9 DTW and MEM.

How does NWA do seniority within class? Age? SSN?

 

[Princedietrich]

"I did 6 months..." "I did 8 months..." WTF? You can't even call yourself a F/E unless you put in a couple of years.

Kids...! TC

Heh, tell that to the scumsucker who furloughed me. If it hadn't been for that...... hell I might STILL be on that dang panel somewhere.

:beer:

 

[p3flteng]

Seniority is done by age, they will have it figured out before you get there, and the employee #'s are not sequential, they must award the numbers based on when the security check is complete or something like that.

 

[General Lee]

"I did 6 months..." "I did 8 months..." WTF? You can't even call yourself a F/E unless you put in a couple of years.

Kids...! TC

P.S.--I was F/E on the L10 for 3 1/2 years but the L10 was so easy, I only got one year's resume credit for it. GL is right about it being a waste of time for resume purposes. Interviewer: "What was your scariest moment as a F/E?" Interviewee: "We left LGA for PBI and the FA said we only had two crew meals. Turns out she was wrong but it was touch and go for a minute..."

L10 FE???? That was super advanced compared to the 727. Most of your stuff was automatic (we had guys at the L10 FE too and they told me it was a lot easier than the 727) Most of the time I thought I was Radar O'Riely calling Sparky on the phone. The L10 FE was something guys actually wanted at Delta, versus the 727FE and the fire hose training. You had it easy, kid. The 747-200 is old technology too, and I think it would be a pain compared to getting the DC9 and doing something you already know how to do, which is fly. Being a plumber is not natural unless you are an A&P, and most PFEs have their A&Ps. You suddenly turn into a checklist monkey and "systems expert." It suked.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Inconceivable]

Being an FE is absolutely the worst "flying job" out there. Expect to be degraded and over worked,

Maybe that is the Widget culture?

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Did you know that the former Western pilots have a secret recognition signal when they see each other in the terminal?

They smile!

 

[NuGuy]

Maybe that is the Widget culture?

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Did you know that the former Western pilots have a secret recognition signal when they see each other in the terminal?

They smile!

Heyas In,

Dunno about Widget, but at NWA, it was a great job, especially if you wanted to build up some QoL and enjoy life after years of rowing at the regionals.

The only people I ever saw that didn't like the FE job were guys who had BIG egos who thought the job was all about proving something.

Nu

 

[JAM-BRO]

Heyas In,

Dunno about Widget, but at NWA, it was a great job, especially if you wanted to build up some QoL and enjoy life after years of rowing at the regionals.

The only people I ever saw that didn't like the FE job were guys who had BIG egos who thought the job was all about proving something.

Nu

WOW Nu

You just described GL........

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The only people I ever saw that didn't like the FE job were guys who had BIG egos who thought the job was all about proving something.

Nu

Catch that, general?? Suits you to a T, I imagine. Always out to prove something.... How many times did the Captain slap you down for running off at the mouth when you were sitting sideways on the 727? I spent a little time on the panel of the 727 hauling contract freight and found it a very pleasant experience. Maybe I'm just easier to get along with than you are, you think? You're a clever guy, but your an ass. Plain and simple.

It must be absolutely wonderful to spend 9 hours in the cockpit with you on the way across the pond.

 

[General Lee]

Catch that, general?? Suits you to a T, I imagine. Always out to prove something.... How many times did the Captain slap you down for running off at the mouth when you were sitting sideways on the 727? I spent a little time on the panel of the 727 hauling contract freight and found it a very pleasant experience. Maybe I'm just easier to get along with than you are, you think? You're a clever guy, but your an ass. Plain and simple.

It must be absolutely wonderful to spend 9 hours in the cockpit with you on the way across the pond.

Wow, all of you guys like to be the "third guy." That's wonderful. In all reality, it sucked. Try to perfume it all you want, it really sucked unless you were a military guy who had never seen CRM.

And listen here Gramps---you are the arse. Have a good night and dream about your FE flows. Bye now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

Well i will be the most junior in my class i am sure, so it might be the panel for me...We shall see

 

[FmrFreightDog]

And listen here Gramps---you are the arse. Have a good night and dream about your FE flows. Bye now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow, gramps... I'm 32 years old. I sat sideways when I was 24, then went on to bigger and better things. I enjoyed it because I don't have an ego the size of the Hindenburg. I enjoyed it because I enjoyed the people I flew with. I haven't practiced my FE flows in 8 years. I'm sorry that your FE experience was unpleasant. You know, a small dose of personality goes a long way. You, clearly, are lacking in any redeeming personality traits, so I can understand why you had a tough time riding the panel. Seriously, I really am sorry that you're an a$$hole. I really am sorry that you probably still get smacked down by the Captain even though you've moved up to the mighty right seat. Above all, I'm sorry that you have to take your inferiority complex to the internet and bash the guys who come here looking for honest advice about SO positions at NWA.

You're a small man, General. You constantly feel the need to pick at others to make yourself feel more substantial.... what's worse, you do it anonymously on an internet webboard. As you sit at your computer, contemplating your 10,000th post, bragging to the flightinfo world about mighty Delta and your hot wife, do you ever sit back and think that your life might be traversing down the slippery slope towards bitter worthlessness???

Have a good night, and dream about sitting right seat to a NWA pilot after the merger. Bye now, dipsh!t.

 

[xjcaptain]

You guys are forgetting the most important element to a 3 man crew....Plausible deniability. If that taco bell is brewing and you rip one off, you can deny it and nobody knows absolutely for sure who did it. No way out of that with a two man crew.

 

[p3flteng]

I do not have first hand panel experience at NWA, but I do have 3000+ in the navy prior to starting my pilot career. It was some of the most rewarding and fun flying I have done in my career.

One other reason not to sweat about sitting in ANC for a year or so...

Every single line pilot at NWA that talked to the newhires going there said they would have a blast, that those guys in Anchorage were a little out of the way secret and it was some very top flying with a great bunch of guys. It seemed to me that about twenty or so pilots all said the same thing at the training center, So it can't be that bad.

IMHO: Have fun and take the oppertunity to do some flying for a year that you can tell your grandkids about. There is no seat lock for NH's and you can be outta there as soon as you want.
Like everything in life, it will be exactly as much fun or pain as you want and allow it to be.

 

[AA717driver]

IMHO: Have fun and take the oppertunity to do some flying for a year that you can tell your grandkids about. There is no seat lock for NH's and you can be outta there as soon as you want.
Like everything in life, it will be exactly as much fun or pain as you want and allow it to be.

We have a winner! I wish like hell I'd done the Cairo (that's in Egypt, not Illinois, General... ) 7 day trips when I'd had the chance. Won't happen (unless I go to EK).

Kids (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way--we were all kids at one time in this business), grab the good experiences whenever you can. Get out of the hotel room as often as you can. You can sleep when you die.

I got out of the FE seat ASAP because I wanted to fly airplanes. No shame in that. Everyone wants something different in life.

GL--The L10 FE was easy--I would have screwed something up on the 727. The 727 FE was harder. The 747 FE is one of the toughest jobs in the business. Lots of stuff going on. Also, no relief pilots.

Have fun wherever you end up! TC

 

[ATLboeing]

You guys are forgetting the most important element to a 3 man crew....Plausible deniability. If that taco bell is brewing and you rip one off, you can deny it and nobody knows absolutely for sure who did it. No way out of that with a two man crew.

Plausible Deniability...

I'm still laughing. As an ex-xj'r, I really miss Mesaba humor.
I just say, "Howdy" and claim it.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, gramps... I'm 32 years old. I sat sideways when I was 24, then went on to bigger and better things. I enjoyed it because I don't have an ego the size of the Hindenburg. I enjoyed it because I enjoyed the people I flew with. I haven't practiced my FE flows in 8 years. I'm sorry that your FE experience was unpleasant. You know, a small dose of personality goes a long way. You, clearly, are lacking in any redeeming personality traits, so I can understand why you had a tough time riding the panel. Seriously, I really am sorry that you're an a$$hole. I really am sorry that you probably still get smacked down by the Captain even though you've moved up to the mighty right seat. Above all, I'm sorry that you have to take your inferiority complex to the internet and bash the guys who come here looking for honest advice about SO positions at NWA.

You're a small man, General. You constantly feel the need to pick at others to make yourself feel more substantial.... what's worse, you do it anonymously on an internet webboard. As you sit at your computer, contemplating your 10,000th post, bragging to the flightinfo world about mighty Delta and your hot wife, do you ever sit back and think that your life might be traversing down the slippery slope towards bitter worthlessness???

Have a good night, and dream about sitting right seat to a NWA pilot after the merger. Bye now, dipsh!t.

If you think the "truth" hurts, then don't read my posts. I can't help it if I am correct about most of the stuff I type about. And no personality you say? I and many others beg to differ. I am about the most laid back guy at Delta, and just enjoy the banter. You are the one crying here.

My FE experience did suk, and I am sharing that experience, primarily because the thread starter asked for it. If you want only "positive" experiences, then I guess he should go to your own personal website "Iwasa24yearoldnerdFE.com". Wow, you had fun--that is suuuuper. Who cares, KID.

And, the best part, is that if there is a DL acquistion of NWA, I will be doing quite well, and most of the senior NWA guys will retire by 60 since they still have their pension and there is no reason to go past 60 in that case(leaves more opportunity to lose it if they do not leave--other terrorism etc). So, if it happens, I will be fairly senior eventually--and you will still be a "young punk." Again, I have almost 10,000 posts because I respond to idiots like you. Here I go wasting another one.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FmrFreightDog]

If you think the "truth" hurts, then don't read my posts. I can't help it if I am correct about most of the stuff I type about. And no personality you say? I and many others beg to differ. I am about the most laid back guy at Delta, and just enjoy the banter. You are the one crying here.

My FE experience did suk, and I am sharing that experience, primarily because the thread starter asked for it. If you want only "positive" experiences, then I guess he should go to your own personal website "Iwasa24yearoldnerdFE.com". Wow, you had fun--that is suuuuper. Who cares, KID.

And, the best part, is that if there is a DL acquistion of NWA, I will be doing quite well, and most of the senior NWA guys will retire by 60 since they still have their pension and there is no reason to go past 60 in that case(leaves more opportunity to lose it if they do not leave--other terrorism etc). So, if it happens, I will be fairly senior eventually--and you will still be a "young punk." Again, I have almost 10,000 posts because I respond to idiots like you. Here I go wasting another one.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

So bitter.... Double breasted jacket a little too tight there, General??

 

[General Lee]

So bitter.... Double breasted jacket a little too tight there, General??

Bitter? Nah. And I don't wear the jacket when I go to Rio (anything South of the Equator and we don't have to wear them). Feels so good. But I will wear it again next week in Vienna. Have a good one.

Bye Bye--General Lee