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NTSB SAFETY RECOMMENDATION
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National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
Month Day, Year
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Safety Recommendation A-06-48 through -51
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The National Transportation Safety Board recommends that the Federal Aviation Administration:

Require all operators of Saab SF340 series airplanes to instruct pilots to maintain a minimum operating airspeed of 1.45xVs during icing encounters and before entering known or forecast icing conditions and to exit icing conditions as soon as performance degradations prevent the airplane from maintaining 1.45xVs. (A-06-48) Urgent

Require the installation of modified stall protection logic in Saab SF340 series airplanes certified for flight into known icing conditions. (A-06-49)

Require the installation of an icing detection system on Saab SF340 series airplanes. (A-06-50)

Require all operators of turbopropeller-driven airplanes to instruct pilots, except during intermittent periods of high workload, to disengage the autopilot and fly the airplane manually when operating in icing conditions. (A-06-51)

Convene a panel of airplane design, aviation operations, and aviation human factors specialists, including representatives from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, to determine whether a requirement for the installation of low-airspeed alert systems in airplanes engaged in commercial operations under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Parts 121 and 135 would be feasible, and submit a report of the panel's findings. (A-03-53)

If the panel requested in Safety Recommendation A-03-53 determines that a requirement for the installation of low-airspeed alert systems in airplanes engaged in commercial operations under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 and 135 is feasible, establish requirements for low-airspeed alert systems, based on the findings of the panel. (A-03-5)
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http://www.ntsb.gov/recs/letters/2006/A06_48_51.pdf
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Simultaneous upward movement of both ailrons. Yuck.

If we had to maintain 1.45Vs, forget climbing out of icing.

A Low Speed Warning system and Ice Detection system would be nice, though.
 
Maybe Mesaba can quick steal the ice detectors from the Avros and put them on the Saabs. It seems cheap and underhanded, so I can see this being a mgmt solution.
 
ImbracableCrunk said:
If we had to maintain 1.45Vs, forget climbing out of icing.

A Low Speed Warning system and Ice Detection system would be nice, though.
Welcome to the world of the Brasilia pilot!
 
It seems like it takes blood to get a good icing system on a plane. You'd think the FAA would look at Roselawn and Monroe and all the SAAB upsets and maybe put two and two together.

Pretty soon these SAABs will be able to carry maybe 10 people, tops, and we'll be cruisin at 10k' and below.
 
Just read the brief. Interesting stuff. Always hand fly in ice when climbing. Always do AT LEAST VCL+15 and only in IAS if you want. The crew for AE did neither of these things. Lucky they recovered in time.
 
Yeah, those things and one other. Go back to teaching pilots to use boots only when there is an appreciable (1/4 -3/8 inch) accumulation instead of turning the system on when a little rime starts to discolor the leading edges so that you can break all of the ice off...
 
ImbracableCrunk said:
Pretty soon these SAABs will be able to carry maybe 10 people, tops, and we'll be cruisin at 10k' and below.

That will really hurt Mesaba's business plan for exiting BK. The good news is that NWA will only be pis&ing off 10 instead of the usual 20 for sticking them on a prop.
 
belchfire said:
Yeah, those things and one other. Go back to teaching pilots to use boots only when there is an appreciable (1/4 -3/8 inch) accumulation instead of turning the system on when a little rime starts to discolor the leading edges so that you can break all of the ice off...

.....well, according to the FnAA, there is no such thing as ice bridging, therefore that isn't necessary....
 

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