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[URL]http://images.thestreet.com/tsc/common/images/tsc/tsc_hp_logo.gif[/URL][FONT=arial, helvetica]Transportation[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Now United Looks Smart[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]By Ted Reed[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]TheStreet.com Staff Reporter[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]11/6/2006 1:57 PM EST[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]URL: http://www.thestreet.com/newsanalysis/transportation/10320009.html[/FONT]



[FONT=arial, helvetica]The financial results reported in the third quarter upended the airline industry's recent hierarchy. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Low-cost industry darlings counted their losses, while long-bankrupt, long-doubted United Airlines came out on top. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Despite the belief by some that its three years in bankruptcy court were too long, too expensive and too unproductive, and even with continuing questions about its long-term strategy, UAL (UAUA) , the parent of United, earned $190 million in the quarter, the most of any carrier that's no longer under court protection. It also produced better margins than its legacy peers. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]In fact, excluding special items, reporting legacy carriers all produced triple-digit profits. That includes Northwest Airlines (NWACQ) which, while still in bankruptcy, reported net income of $252 million. Bankrupt Delta Air Lines (DALRQ) will report next week. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Three carriers were money losers: AirTran Airways (AAI) , Frontier Airlines (FRNT) and JetBlue Airways (JBLU) . All three have cost-per-available-seat-mile numbers at the low end of the scale, and all three suffered more than United from the August implementation of enhanced security regulations. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Among the low-cost carriers, only Southwest Airlines (LUV) made money, reporting its 62nd consecutive profitable quarter. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]United's success surprised analysts, prompting several to raise estimates after the carrier said per-share earnings would have been 43 cents higher had it not accounted for income tax expense. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]"We (and we believe consensus) were assuming zero tax," wrote Merrill Lynch analyst Mike Linenberg, in a recent report. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Cathay Financial analyst Susan Donofrio recently rated United outperform and raised her price target to $40 from $38, lauding the airline's "exposure to high-margin international routes, proven ability to capitalize on cost-cutting opportunities and attractive valuation." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Meanwhile, Linenberg says that "after lagging its competitors for the past several quarters, United's operating income of 5.9% now exceeds its peer group." American has a 4.9% margin, while Continental has a 5.5% margin, he noted. He maintained a buy rating. Merrill Lynch has a financial relationship with United that includes acting as a market maker and providing other services. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Still, questions remain. CreditSights analyst Roger King recently said that United reported its seventh straight quarter of increasing revenue per available seat mile, while CASM has generally declined during that time. That's good, of course, but King noted that United's strategy is to produce industry-high RASM by providing superior service to high-end customers. "Higher RASM needs higher CASM to support it," King said. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]On Monday, United reported its preliminary traffic results for October, including a passenger load factor of 80.6%. Total scheduled revenue passenger miles increased 2.3% from last year. Capacity also rose 2.3%, measured by scheduled available seat miles. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]United employees may be coming up with a wide variety of cost-savings initiatives, as CEO Glenn Tilton said on a recent conference call, but some are restive. United's pilot leaders voted last month to "insist negotiations begin immediately to restore pay, work rules and benefits," the Chicago Tribune has reported, despite being locked into their present contract until 2009. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]A pilot spokesman declined to comment for this article. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Aviation consultant Mike Boyd contends that United seems to lack a long-term plan beyond seeking a merger. United recently retained Goldman Sachs to explore strategic options. At the same time, the five other legacy carriers have clear strategies, Boyd said. "The difference is that Tilton called a realtor to sell the place," he said. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]On the conference call, Tilton reiterated his long-standing contention that consolidation would benefit the industry, but acknowledged that industry response has been muted. "I think the reaction has been personal [to individual companies] ," he said. "Other industries have benefited, but at the end of the day it's at the discretion of individual participants." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Like AMR's (AMR) American Airlines, United has so far not defined how it will restock its aging fleet. On the call, CFO Jake Brace said United has one of the youngest legacy fleets but acknowledged that it's getting a year older every year. Brace said United's oldest Boeing 737s, now 17 to 18 years old, "would typically fly ... well into their 20s." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]There will be options, eventually. "The 787 is an attractive aircraft [and] the A350 may or may not be an attractive aircraft," said Brace, adding that United will wait a year "before we start thinking about that kind of thing." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]In the meantime, said Executive Vice President John Tague, United is "making significant investment in ... our current fleet," including planning premium cabin upgrades that will be unveiled early next year. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Nevertheless, industry consultant Robert Mann said that despite having a better second quarter than their low-cost competitors, United and its peers are at a long-term disadvantage when it comes to fleets. Airlines may get lucky on fuel hedges, he said, but "the best fuel hedge you can have is the most efficient fleet, and most of these guys are driving around 20-year-old fleets." [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]The future may still belong to the out-of-favor low-cost carriers, Mann said, because "they are the guys driving around the shiny new airplanes." [/FONT]
 
Yeah, using a bankruptcy system skewed in favor of management to strip away pensions, reduce pay and gut workrules IS pure genius. Tilton for Man of the Year.

:rolleyes: TC
 
Not to pile on United, but I had to look at their balance sheet. They list shareholders equity at 2.2B. That would give them a book value of around $18. Which would make the $30 some dollars it's trading at seem reasonable. Then you look under assets and you see they have 5.9B in intagibles listed. If you took those out the book value would be 0. I would like to see what those intangibles are before I put a $40 target price on the stock.
 
More lipstick on the pig . . . . .

Are you utilizing your dating experiences to be able to identify lipstick on a pig? I always thought sheep would be more of an AAI thing.

At least you were named in the article......AS ONE OF THE MONEY LOSERS!!!:)
 
. . . . . auction day must be getting closer . . .

You've been making the same comments for quite a long time - at least you got smart enough several years ago to quit putting a date when you wanted United to go out of business.
 
You've been making the same comments for quite a long time - at least you got smart enough several years ago to quit putting a date when you wanted United to go out of business.

I have obviously missed something over the years, what is Ty's beef with you UAL guys?

AA
 
I have obviously missed something over the years, what is Ty's beef with you UAL guys?

AA


Basically even though his Mommy was pulling strings he couldn't get hired at the Intern level.
 
You mean tricks right?

You don't pull tricks you do tricks.

Maybe he was of the wrong ethnic background or sex and was passed over? These things happen.
 
Anyone remember Avolar?

That UAL Pig seems to be more profitable than AAI. How'd you do last quarter?

Well, FDJ, I thought you were a little more intelligent than to be swayed by one quarter's "results" when they're fresh out of Chapter 11.

AAI is still primarily a North-South carrier. North-South traffic makes money in the 2nd and 4th quarters. First and third are rarely profitable, but the second and fourth quarters more than make up for it. That's why we are profitable on an annual basis. . . . and why we have been branching out to the West Coast, to try to even out some of the flying.

So, to reiterate, for some of you "overly-mentored" types . . On an ANNUAL basis, which is what really matters, we have been profitable for the last 6 consecutive years. UAL has been profitable for one lousy quarter in the last five years.

If UAL is still around in its present form, and can turn in 6 consecutive YEARS of profitability, I'll leave them alone, but that'll never happen.


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If UAL is still around in its present form, and can turn in 6 consecutive YEARS of profitability, I'll leave them alone, but that'll never happen.
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Funny you should mention present form. Let us see where the present form AAI came from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valujet

Interesting reading to say the least. Nice history their LCC'er. Oh by way are you saying that AAI has lost money in Q3 for the past six years? Also, UAL is not "fresh" from BK but I am sure you missed that along the way also. The BK Q for was Q1 and the effects were still felt in Q2.

At least we have not been shutdown by the feds like you guys were.
 
Yep, ol' Yo'nited has never put one in the dirt

At least we have not been shutdown by the feds like you guys were.


Yep, ol' Yo'nited has never put one in the dirt . . . . Hmmmmmf!

When you can't defend the indefensible, just throw some mud . . . .

"Yeah, our airline just got out of bankruptcy, and is being shopped around for merger/acquisition because its unsustainable in its present form . . . . but HEY- wasn't one of the two airlines that make up AirTran grounded by the FAA over ten years ago??"

Pretty lame . . . . . .
 
When you can't defend the indefensible, just throw some mud . . . .

When did facts become mud. You are the one that posted the lipstick comment. What you think no one would take offense to that? You not living in a glass house?

"Yeah, our airline just got out of bankruptcy, and is being shopped around for merger/acquisition because its unsustainable in its present form

That is an interesting take on reality. Unsustainable? We posted a profit in our present form. How did you guys do? If I read it correctly you lost money so that would mean you are not sustainable in YOUR present form. Also Fork Lift Joe said you guys were going to cancel some deliveries and several of the analyst that you liked to tout have said AAI is in the most precarious position of all the LCC's. With DL lean and mean it should be a quick exit for AAI. Should we put a date on it?


. . . . but HEY- wasn't one of the two airlines that make up AirTran grounded by the FAA over ten years ago??"

Your right. The FAA grounds airlines all the time. Well just the other day I was reading about an airline that was grounded.......Oh wait I am wrong I have not heard of too many airlines getting grounded so that really is a remarkable chore your fearless, and I mean fearless leaders accomplished. The problem with AAI is that with the Valujet lineage it is akin to being related to Charles Manson, you can't change your DNA and yours is linked with a not so great past. You can't get new family so you have to pretend they don't exist. Unfortunately for you, we all now your past.
 
The problem with AAI is that with the Valujet lineage it is akin to being related to Charles Manson, you can't change your DNA and yours is linked with a not so great past. You can't get new family so you have to pretend they don't exist.


You cross the line when you disrespect those who perished in avaition.
Accordingly, I'm recommending to the moderator you be banned from this website permanently.
 
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You cross the line when you disrespect those who perished in avaition.
Accordingly, I'm recommending to the moderator you be banned from this website permanently.

Crossed the line? Comparing AAI to having a notorious relative is crossing the line? I did not mention anyone perishing nor did I imply anyone perishing, I only made the comparison to someone every american despises and would not want at the dinner table or on the christmas card list much less as a relative. Also, if you read the history, Charles Manson did not actually kill anyone. The murders were performed by others.
 
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Hey Mryflyer,

Is your beef with Ty Webb or AirTran? Every time someone posts something interesting, it turns into a "bi@ch slap fest" between alot of the same people. If you have a problem with Ty, take it outside. As far as airlines go, it's a uniform...I take it off when I get home.

FDJ's article and AA717 and MDF's replies have merit. Why are airlines becoming profitable? Bigger Airlines obviously tend to make big money when they have costs under revenues. How did they get there? Who is taking money out of our wallets?
 
My beef is with TY and since he chooses to only to throw barbs at UAL, then I feel we must keep him honest. His glass house living is tiresome.
Actually, in reading most, if not all of your posts, your beef seems to be with any and all LCC's!
Maybe you should re read most of your posts!

Midge
 

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