No college success story

[pilotyip]

Back to basic

Back to the basics, if you are getting the degree to check a box on an application, it does not matter where it comes from or how you got it. For DA Capt good to hear from you again kinda like the old days, however you are off base, look at the hiring going on right now and it is not at the ratty cargo level. There is a pilot skill shortage developing on the entry level, the 2007 hiring boom is on track and in 21 months one will shown as being correct. If you are right the flying business is in trouble, if I am right the good times will be back.

 

[pilotyip]

wrong button

 

[Diesel]

tony i'm cringing when you proof read my post.

It's been a long day and if i read one more page i'm going to throw my textbook against the wall.

 

[viper548]

A lot of the online classes I had required that the tests be administered by a proctor. I'll admit going in residence is different than attending online but getting a degree online still requires a lot of work.

 

[Redmeat]

There is a pilot skill shortage developing on the entry level.

Pilotyip, that is exactly where an individual will stay in aviation without a degree, THE ENTRY LEVEL. I hate to bust your bubble but the story of your "airline pilot" with-out a degree really is not that impressive. My question is why are you so adamant about it? Did you not manage to finish college? Is this personal resentment of your own shortcomings? What gives? Doesn't make a lot of sense. I have been flying around in this biz for awhile now, and you are the only person I have heard who "preaches" not to get a degree. I almost think your doing it to get a rise out of people.

 

[TonyC]

tony i'm cringing when you proof read my post.

It's been a long day and if i read one more page i'm going to throw my textbook against the wall.

Unless it contains a claim of intellectual superiority I won't even bother. It's the guys that claim to be so intelligent but can't compose a proper sentence, much less a paragraph, that drive me mad.


But you can still throw the textbook against the wall if it'll make you feel better!








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[Diesel]

I would but i think it would wake up the guest in the next hotel room.

maybe they are a fedex pilot. on second thought.

whack

 

[TonyC]

Some loony tune is trying to knock my hotel wall down! So much for sleeping during the day.










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[PC12Cowboy]

Hmm...at 70 dollars a barrel...MAYBE the Airlines will RAIDE thier prices to make a profit and quit being the low price losers that they have become...people will still travel and they will just have to re budget....

 

[HMR]

Being "uneducated" has never affected my flying career.

 

[The Truth]

I'm guessing your degree was not in English.

Nope, sorry to say, just mechanical engineering.

The fact is that if you would take that online degree into an interview at a major accounting firm, or other professional industry outside of aviation, the interviewer would most likely be fighting back the urge to laugh you off of the premises. Let's see...candidate A has a degree from the University of Michigan, candidate B from Columbia, candidate C from NYU...and then there's candidate D with an online degree from the prestigious University of Phoenix (no one outside of aviation has ever HEARD of ERAU, so I won't even use that as an example). Just based on the above criteria, who doesn't make the cut?

Unlike the majority of other professions out there, aviation employers seem to have low regard for the traditional means of ACHIEVING a college degree. Applications oftentimes are limited to a simple check of a box when the question of "4-year degree" is asked. There is no distinction between earning a traditional degree, versus some online degree that's printed off from a "Congratulations, you're a college graduate" e-mail. And as long as that continues to be the case, more and more pilots will continue to BUY their degree, not earn it.

However, if indeed that furlough unfortunately comes, or one simply decides to get out of aviation, whatever amount of money was wasted on an online degree will be soon become painfully apparent. But, I guess it really doesn't matter, you were able to get seniority out of it all...right?

 

[hindsight2020]

Engineering as best choice... *BUZZARD* WRONG! Try again

If you are going to invest time and money in a college education, by all means get a degree that is marketable in and of itself. The best choices are engineering and business administration. These majors will equip you with hard skills that will make you a better aviation business person, but much more important, will give you a back-up in case aviation does not pan out for you. And yes, that happens, for a variety of reasons, much more than we like to think.

Do not under any circumstances buy into a college or university "flight training" major that get you a degree in "Airways Science," or some other euphemism for aviation studies. That "degree" in and of itself is worthless in the market place. Do not be deceived, if you lose your medical you will no longer be a pilot, likewise if you lose your certificate due to difficulties with the Feds. Then try to get a good job with your worthless "Airways" degree.

Also, the "flight training" that you will receive in a college or university program will end up costing you three times as much and take three times longer than if you had gone to a reputable flight training establishment. You will enter the job market crippled by debt.

In summary, university aviation programs are the biggest, phoniest, and most hypocritical scams in aviation today. They make their money off your dreams and it goes to support people who have no experience in the real world and spend their lives sucking off a state-supported tit.

Regarding the university flight programs, I agree with ya. Now regarding engineering....

After 7 years of doing what most people think is the safe route I can assure you that the "back up" value of an engineering degree is a MYTH. I agree about your assessment of the value of an aviation degree outside of aviation, however I'm afraid to tell you that in essence you're making NO point at all with that argument. What is the value of a profession chosen solely to have the 'perceived' notion of job security? None.

What's the job security in a entry-level defense contractor engineering job; assuming you actually want to use your particular type of engineering degree rather than be relegated to taking WHATEVER job offer you get regardless of interest [read THE REAL WORLD])? Less than your starving CFI job. I'll add that you'll probably find it so depressing you'll quit before the 18 months are up.

My point is you're going to be unhappy NOT flying a plane regardless. A degree pursued based on the economical contention, PROVIDED that one would otherwise would never touch that field with a 10 foot pole if able to fly, will leave you as empty as the job outlook of an aviation degree outside of aviation.

Now if yo must go about your life CONSTANTLY worrying about poking your eye out and ending your aviation career, business administration is a sound choice provided you're a proactive individual and have above avg. social skills. My best pick would be nursing, cake a$$ major and a huge return$$$ on investement, long hours but a lot of days off. Pharmacy, insane $$$ and half the work put for an engineering degree.

Engineering...that reminds me of that song, I think it's NAS that sings it,... "Take a walk with me n***a"...LOL too bad they don't let me give the campus tours at my Department; I could go on but I digress.

 

[viper548]

The fact is that if you would take that online degree into an interview at a major accounting firm, or other professional industry outside of aviation, the interviewer would most likely be fighting back the urge to laugh you off of the premises. Let's see...candidate A has a degree from the University of Michigan, candidate B from Columbia, candidate C from NYU...and then there's candidate D with an online degree from the prestigious University of Phoenix (no one outside of aviation has ever HEARD of ERAU, so I won't even use that as an example). Just based on the above criteria, who doesn't make the cut?

Where on the diploma or transcripts does it say anything about the degree being done online or in residence?

 

[banned username 2]

My question is why are you so adamant about it? Did you not manage to finish college? Is this personal resentment of your own shortcomings? What gives? Doesn't make a lot of sense. I have been flying around in this biz for awhile now, and you are the only person I have heard who "preaches" not to get a degree. I almost think your doing it to get a rise out of people.

The irony of the whole situation is that PilotYip doesn't have a degree, he has 2 degree's... BUT he is still stuck at the rat-assed freight level and is bitter because he never got (or maybe never capitalized on) the opportunity to progress beyond that level... Somehow or another he has convinced himself that college is a waste of time, and sitting in an old Falcon 20 instead of a classroom is somehow going to solve the problem that he has endured...

PilotYIP is bitter at an industry that he feels has shorted him... He is nearing retirement age and is in a job that most 20-somethings view as a stepping stone job, but unfortunately for PilotYIP, it isn't a stepping stone, it is the last stone on the road... I believe this has seriously skewed his view of the industry...

This industry is tough, there is no doubt about it... I don't have to tell you guys, we all live it every day... To come into this industry with the deck stacked against you from the start (no college degree) is a foolish move if you have the means to do otherwise... As pilots, we realize there are no 100% certainties, our job is about "risk mitigation", we do what we can to increase the likelyhood of the desired results... A VERY large percentage of pilots hired into the "desireable" jobs have college degrees, assessing that fact says that with a degree you are far more likely (however not certain) to achieve the goal of attaining a desireable flying job...

As I like to say "It ain't rocket science"... Put yourself in the group with the highest success rate and you will be more likely to succeed, don't do this and it will be an uphill battle the rest of your career...

Good luck...

 

[check6]

Who cares? PFT, no degree, degree, aviation degree. It all works. . .sadly.