NJI rats leaving the sinking ship

[Guitar rocker]

Man do I hear you. I see it all the time. I wonder why the heck a lot of the changes occur, and I can't believe how stupid they are. I will then call a scheduler and ask why, they will give me a reason and I will usually shake my head in disbelief, and think well that's a waste of 40K.
Do you have problems when your dealing with dispatch, weather or Jepp? Those guys are all professionals. What I mean by that is most of those people have aviation backgrounds, where crew services, owner services, logistics, and travel might not have the aviation knowledge.

You also have to remember while the pilots have one aircaft to worry about a day we have all of them.

I understand. The weather and jepps part seems to be OK, but where the waste of money occurs is when one person just isnt talking to the other or someone without an understanding of how weather works etc and then making a decision that doesnt benefit anyone. (Had one scheduler ask why we couldnt get into airport X even when the current/forecast wx was down). Therefore, that lack of communication can be truly costly at times, and even more so...embarrassing as the owners arent being told the truth many times or kept properly informed. And ultimately, we are the ones that get yelled at and have to do the explaining when it could have been done correctly the first time around.

Enough of that...........back to the original thread.

 

[gutshotdraw]

We also work a heck of a lot more than a corp department.

Whoa nellie. Diesel, it is obvious you have never worked traditional corporate. I have worked for a Fortune 100 flight department and a high 9 figure net worth individual. In comparison, the Netjets gig is so much easier it's scary.

My best friend drives top line equipment in a well-run flight department for the LARGEST company in the WORLD in their industry (revenue this year will exceed 10 Billion with a B) and his schedule makes me cringe. After stock and bonus he makes more than I do but my base is higher and my schedule blows his out of the water.

Another friend drives top line equipment for the SECOND largest company in the WORLD in their industry and makes two-thirds what I make (same equipment) and works a minimum of 22 days a month. He also has to do EVERYTHING every time he flies. I show up, check a couple of ID's, and push throttles.

Can this job be a pill sometimes? Absolutely. Do we work harder than most corporate flight departments? As Homey the Clown used to say: "I don't think so."

 

[cmhslave]

Why do you guys think that schedulers are untouchable?

I wish you guys could sit with us on a regular basis, and then you could see what we are dealing with.

We are all professionals, (NOT HIGH SCHOOL KIDS!) we live in a constant changing environment, weather, owner changes, planes breaking, and pilots calling in sick ETC. But yet we still keep it together.

 

[hydrarkt]

But yet we still keep it together.

If you call what I see on the road "keeping it together," I think you need to see an eye doctor.

 

[cmhslave]

If you call what I see on the road "keeping it together," I think you need to see an eye doctor.

I am not talking about day-of changes.....the majority of the schedulers work 24 hours out over at easton.

 

[Some guy]

I am not a scheduler, however I do see what they go through all day everyday. It's not easy with the changes that are happening every minute. And we know here in CMH that the changes aren't always easy for you guys (and gals) on the road. But we do what we can to keep our owners happy. They are the ones paying our paychecks.

Try playing a 3 dimensional chess game...That's the closest analogy I can think of.

SG

 

[Some guy]

I guess I forgot to mention this in the above post...We know there are scheduling inefficiencies. It will get better in time. Trying to fix the inefficiencies while growing at the rate we have, plus flying an average of 750 - 900+ total flights per day, it's difficult enough just to keep our heads above water. We'll get there...

SG

 

[jtf]

HPN- 3 crewed Excels on hot standby and we watch a sell-off Lear 45 come in to do a trip for us. I'll never understand the puzzle palace.

 

[RNObased]

I am not talking about day-of changes.....the majority of the schedulers work 24 hours out over at easton.

Here is a question for you. Why do some schedulers work in Easton and some in Bridgeway. Seems like these guys would need to close enough to speak to each other without a phone call. Makes no sense to me, but whatever....

 

[DO-82 driver]

RTS has come right out and said it during recurrent class.....He hates the Easton Complex and does not like having everything split up the way it is.


Lets see what gets done about it..

 

[old*art]

Why do you guys think that schedulers are untouchable?


With all due respect, my biggest gripe with scheduling is their HOSTILE resistance to input, so I just stand on the sidelines now and watch the wheels come off. I have been told for the last time to shutup and fly the trip.

 

[ETDTBA]

Here is a question for you. Why do some schedulers work in Easton and some in Bridgeway. Seems like these guys would need to close enough to speak to each other without a phone call. Makes no sense to me, but whatever....

The Easton schedulers work on trips that are "downline" The SOC handles the day of stuff and reacts to changes.

downline = working on stuff through the night for the next day. It's that whole 91k thing.

 

[knowone]

Untouchables

Why do you guys think that schedulers are untouchable?

Because I have seen time after time thousands of dollars spent on airline tickets to fly a crew to an aircraft that isn't scheduled to come out of MX one day and then fly them back to the aircraft they came from. I have seen scheduling have a crew sit at the FBO for hours on end on overtime so the crew and aircraft can back up a trip that the crew is not legal for. I have seen where scheduling has been advised 3 or 4 times about a crew needing to get home and they schedule them to get home within 5 minutes of 14hrs and then something goes wrong. Netjets is hurting in the pocket book and scheduling is not held accountable for any of their actions those are some of the reasons why they are the untouchables.

 

[RNObased]

The Easton schedulers work on trips that are "downline" The SOC handles the day of stuff and reacts to changes.

downline = working on stuff through the night for the next day. It's that whole 91k thing.

Still doesn't make sense.... What happens one day directly effects the next day. These people need to to work together, not in buildings several miles apart.

 

[gunfyter]

The posts in this thread make us all look bad.

More than likely anybody with a good idea at BW or Easton has their hands tied by higher authority (Woodbridge)... just like you do on the line....

Stuff rolls downhill and we live in the valley.