NJI Gateway cities

[caseyd]

Where are NJI's gateways? Thanks,

casey

 

[TurboJetCpt]

THEY are AIRLINE FROM HOME. WE, NJA, are the bastards of the company and are force-fed this gateway fiasco B.S>

 

[caseyd]

THEY are AIRLINE FROM HOME. WE, NJA, are the bastards of the company and are force-fed this gateway fiasco B.S>

So NJI is a better deal? Yes?

Are there any more reasons it's a better deal? Reason it's not as good as NJA?

casey

 

[Heavy Set]

EJI very different from NJA

EJI (not referred to as NJI) flies the Gulfstreams whereas NJAflieseverything butthe Gulfstreams. EJI seems to hire either militaryorGIV/V ratedpilots most of the time. NJA has union representationwhileEJIis not represented by any union - although you could argue thatNJAhasbeen represented by a very poor, cr@ppy union (the Teamsterswerenothelpful in the last contract debacle). NJA has a seriesof"gateway"cities from which you begin your trips (and youareultimately flownback to your gateway at the end of a trip).EJIallows you to live anyplace that has a certain number ofairlineflights per day into yourlocal airport (e.g., maybe you need2-3airlines to serve your localairport so that they can get you toyourGulfstream).

I am still having problems with my words clumping together - I am nothaving this problem on other forums - sorry... Are othersexperiencing this problem?

 

[Live4flyng]

Well, it is NJI now, used to be EJI. They fly G4/G5 and derivates of those airplanes as allowed by NJAs scope clause.

NJA flies the G200s and soon G150s when delivered if you want to consider that a Gulfstream. Everything else is mostly accurate although I could argue that it wasn't as much the IBTs fault as it was the MEC and Local 284s fault for the last episode. Our union looks much better now with teeth.

One more thing, NJI is much smaller than NJA as far as pilot force and fleets are concerned. Approximately 250 pilots 45 airplanes vs. 2000 pilots and 350 airplanes. Again, I said APPROXIMATELY before some gets all anal about it.

 

[CE750Driver]

NJA flies the G200s and soon G150s when delivered if you want to consider that a Gulfstream. Everything else is mostly accurate although I could argue that it wasn't as much the IBTs fault as it was the MEC and Local 284s fault for the last episode. Our union looks much better now with teeth.

Live4, what teeth? The teeth that hung the Happy holiday billboard by Bridgeway? The teeth that let them cancel ( or move as they claim) a week of bargaining in Feb? The MEC that hasnt filed a Single Carrier Status lawsuit yet? The MEC that hasnt dealt with MANY status quo violations that were handed down from the last inept MEC. I havent seen this MEC doing anything more that gumming a soda cracker as far as dealing with the company is concerned. It has no teeth. Dont delude yourself. The communication is a bit better. Hope your happy with that.

Be careful, I hear if the company keeps playing bad, we have a Happy Valentines day Billboard waiting in the wings.

 

[Live4flyng]

Whatever you say chief. Exactly how high is the Dic head factor in the X anyway? I need to make sure I'm not delusional and bid it.

 

[Grizz]

Well, let's see. The MEC has been in office for a whole month now. They have established independent offices in Gahana. They are demanding that the Teamsters get off the mark and let us have our own local so that we truly control our destiny. That fight is coming to a head in the very near future. If the Teamsters don't respond correctly, look for a decertification vote to be held in our pilot group. The do-nothing MEC has had a contract development team go through the entire failed TA and point out the flaws in it and make recommendations on how to fix it. They've held a week of expedited grievance hearings in front of the mediator and resolved a huge back log of grievances left over since 1999 from the previous MEC and Local 284. They are proceeding to arbitration with the 7&7 after midnight grievance in the next two weeks. They are putting together a complete strategic plan for dealing with company delays and bad faith with the assistance of industry experts such as Rick Dubinsky.

Yeah, I guess they've just been doing nothing. After all, it's already been 32 days. Slackers...

CE750Driver, it's unfortunate that you have to get on this board behind an assumed name to post this tripe. If you feel that strongly about things, why not let it flow over on the ASAP board? Oh yeah, you'd have to stand up for your beliefs in front of your peers. Also, what have you done to help? I didn't see your name on the last MEC ballot - why not? I'm also guessing that you don't volunteer for a single union position. I guess because you were too busy getting on here and whining about others not doing enough.

What a class act...

 

[CE750Driver]

Touched a nerve huh?

Truth does tend to hurt. SU is much better in many aspects, but they are not the powerhouse they fabricated themselves to be in the election. I send them money and hope for the best, but truth be told, Im seeing the same ole stuff. Believe me grievance hearings were held before, and will be held again.

I like the idea of getting out of 284. Powell has had way too many cocktails on our dollar. But to do just that and none of the things that were promised in the election, and to delay the contract in the mean time, seems kinda superficial.

Dont worry Griz, me and you seem to agree on most things. That SU is doing a great job so far, not so. And when I want to voice my opions, I will do it as I do now, to Tim, Bill, and Greg. Not on your "enviroment controlled" platform.

Live4, bet we would have a great time on the road, as long as you like having fun.

 

[zman300]

Anyway....back to the original question!

So NJI is a better deal? Yes?

Are there any more reasons it's a better deal? Reason it's not as good as NJA?

casey

"Better" is subjective, of course, but I think NJA's vacation scheduling is better than ours, and their overtime system is better. In order to get overtime PAY, we have to put in at least 49 days/quarter. So, if you're scheduled to work 46 days in a quarter and work two extra, you won't see a penny, though you will get the days back as time off; not exactly the best way to make extra dough.

And as I understand it, when an NJA employee wants a "week" of vacation, it's basically taken out of one of their normal work rotations, meaning that with a week normally off before and after, they end up with 21 days off (if on a 7/7 schedule). Any NJA input on this?

 

[Grizz]

Not on your "enviroment controlled" platform.

I know, we're so onerous with our rules. No use of the F word and don't attack a union brother. That sure is mind control. The real problem you have is that you have to be responsible for what you post there because your name is attached to it. The problem, EMB, is that these boards aren't all that secure if you know what you're doing.

Anyway, you didn't address one of my points. How much have you volunteered to help solve the problems you perceive? What committees do you serve on trying to make this a better place for everyone? Not a one that I can see...

 

[Flightbag]

Hey Grizz:

I don't know why you respond to CE750Driver. It's obvious he doesn't have a clue.

As for me, having been in the union business before, I still cannot believe how far you've come in such a short time. You and rest of the volunteers please keep up the good work. 99.9% of us appreciate it.

Flightbag

PS, I will continue to contribute until we get control of our own dues.

 

[CE750Driver]

Griz, I have never hid behind the anonomyous nature of this board, and if you check my posts on asap you will see I have questioned SU. All the answer I ever get is just wait. I was the founding father of the communication commitee. I started that before you were even at the company. Right before the Fab 5. I started personally calling every pilot and getting their assurance that they wouldnt extend and put some pressure on the company. Got over 300 of the 450 pilots at the time to aggree, with a consenting MEC.(I named it operation Cold Turkey if you want to ask some oldtimers, alot remember) When the Fab 5 were elected the 1st time, they called my tactics too aggressive and replaced me as chairman with someone they liked. So dont question my motives, I put as much time and money into makeing this place work as anyone, even you probably. Im done, my family is more important now, and there are plenty of motivated people to pick up the reigns.

So there is your answer Griz, you havent answered any of mine from the 1st post. My long term plans dont have me staying at the sinking ship of NJA. SU just doesnt walk on water like most think. They are doing a great job of communicating and moving commitees along, and they are 500 percent better than the last guys, but I dont see the aggressiveness they promised, thats all. If you do, by all means tell me. Questioning SU does not make someone evil.

Till then I will continue to send my money to them, hope for the best and expect what we have been seeing for the last 3 years.

Sorry I got everyones pantys in a bunch by asking questions no one can answer.

EMB

 

[ce750drvr]

Griz,

Don't worry about the other ce750driver, Roger....er what ever he wants to call himself, is just jelous he didn't get voted back in. If it isn't Roger, it sure sounds like him. Besides, I'm pissed he got to my username before I did.

 

[CE750Driver]

Wow Roger, thats funny. I supported ridding ourselves of that group, and still support SU financially and otherwise. Obviously Ce750drvr, you havent been around long enough to know your azz from a hole in the ground.

Im done posting on this subject. You all can beleive what you want, but in 2 more years, when we get another not so stellar contract to vote on, I will silently be laughing. Hopefully at another company.

Stay united and try hard. Stay on SU like we should have stayed on the promises of the Fab 5.

 

[Grizz]

CE750Driver,

I apologize. I was unaware of your communication efforts before the FAB 5. I also appreciate your efforts to get folks to not extend. I think had the MEC been behind that effort, the contract would already be done.

I still disagree with you about SU. I think they were handed a crap sandwich by the previous MEC and Local 284 and are doing their best to repair all the damage without having to take a bite. I also think that things are gonna start hopping in the next couple of weeks or I'll be right there with you asking why it hasn't.

 

[CE750Driver]

Griz, I started the Communications Committee at the request of DR. The MEC chairman before the FAB 5. I wasnt in the good graces with the 5, so when they got in they appointed someone else. I still have the old senority list with guys I talked to personally on the phone and said they would participate. Then I got married and kids came, and more motivated people came in, so Im in the wings at the moment.

I hope you are right about SU. Either way, I will support them, but I will be a bit sceptical till I see some movement one way or another. Canceling or moving negotiation days kinda pisses me off. There will always be busy days, and the company will say they cant afford to have guys off the line again. I hope SU makes them pay.

 

[ce750drvr]

Wow Roger, thats funny. I supported ridding ourselves of that group, and still support SU financially and otherwise. Obviously Ce750drvr, you havent been around long enough to know your azz from a hole in the ground.

Im done posting on this subject. You all can beleive what you want, but in 2 more years, when we get another not so stellar contract to vote on, I will silently be laughing. Hopefully at another company.

Stay united and try hard. Stay on SU like we should have stayed on the promises of the Fab 5.

I will give you the fact that you can't tell the tone of a post. If you read the last sentence, I was taking a pot shot out of fun. Lighten up, I have been around NJ a lot longer than MOST. I volunteer my time for SU and am involved in two committees. Rome wasn't built in a day much less 30 days. SU has a plan and they are sticking to it. Give them at least a little time. Jeez, could you do it any quicker? If so, put it in writing and give it to SU, they are open to all suggetions. PM me if you want to discuss this further (as professionals, no tone, just constructive), I can answer any questions, that's my job as a SU representitve.

Take care