NJA to NJI

[Diesel]

GV-

If your going post just facts make sure you include all the facts. Tv networks do the same thing but they seem to put their own spin on it just like the rest of us.

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[h25b]

GV-

If your going post just facts make sure you include all the facts. Tv networks do the same thing but they seem to put their own spin on it just like the rest of us.

D

For goodness sakes lets not have anyone post fact. That would be a crime...



GVFlyer,

The truth is a useless pursuit on this forum... RUN away, just RUN away...

You're a good man for trying though.

 

[AA717driver]

Today, I drove past AC #5071, a green G550 sitting on the back lot at SAV. Most people flying 550's make pretty good money.

While there are a whole lot more gulfstreams out there today than in the past, the pay has gone up to the point that many of us who would like to work at NJI aren't willing to take the pay cut to start there.

There are a couple of NJI guys in my class and they knew what they were getting into--being non union and didn't even apply to NJA. Different animal.

I hope gunfyter is right about the future of an integrated list. But, I have no faith in human nature and fully expect any integration of the two groups to turn into a staple job with a subsequent flush.TC

 

[old*art]

"GVFlyer,

The truth is a useless pursuit on this forum... RUN away, just RUN away...

You're a good man for trying though"

I would tend to agree with you in most discussions I have seen on this board - but in this case it displays a lack of knowlege of the complexity of this situation. Santulli would never have been able to put the deal together with Gulfstream if he had not already had a modestly successful fractional operation at NJA. And where do you think Santulli's seed money for EJI was found ? Same for NJE. Low paid NJA pilots.

 

[CatYaaak]

it's very simple. gulfstream didn't want union pilots flying it's planes. nothing more, nothing less. we'll see what comes around with the single-carrier lawsuit.

It's very simple bizjet737. GVflyer is right on in his summary of EJI's inception, why only experienced Gulfstream pilots were recruited during those early years, and who was involved. Revisionist, pro-union historians like yourself try and create an impression among those that weren't there... that it was some kind of whipsawing tactic...forget the obvious; EJI pilots were hired making MORE than EJA union rates.

I'm sure Santulli and co. would've loved to have extrapolated, and locked in your union-rates for Gulfstream seats. What would that be...Captains making about 45K a year?...F/Os starting at 30K? The saddest thing is, you all would have done it and claimed it was "righteous" by virtue of being collectively-bargained. 'Scuse me while I puke. If anything, the EJA cadre's excruciatingly low wages had a depressing effect on what should have been higher Gulfstream pay.

Gulfstream made the requirement for experienced Gulfstream crews, EJA didn't have any. We all know why EJA didn't have any. and it's as simple as that.

 

[Diesel]

hey catyaak you don't work here, you don't work for nji so why don't you mind your own buisness. You don't know anything about what we do on the road and the history.

Mind your own fing buisness

 

[ce750drvr]

Extremely unlikely. This kind of thinking is what occurs when you involve the Wish Fairy in your career planning.

Everyone should keep in mind that you had equal opportunity to apply at NJI when you took that job at NJA. Oh, wait! You weren't and still aren't qualified to go to work at NJI or you would apply now. But, rather than try to get that Gulfstream job through merit, ability and paying your dues, you want to steal it from other pilots through union thuggery and chicanery. That's dispicable behaviour. Unless your moral compass is completely adrift, you should be ashamed of yourself. Face it - the guys at NJI made a better deal than you did with Santulli because they were better qualified and could demand it.

I fully support your effort to improve your lot at NJA, that will have a positive impact on the industry if you are successful and will reverse the trend of diminishing compensation throughout non-corporate aviation. I just don't see how you can sleep at night if you have to do it on the backs of other pilots who definitely don't want what you have to offer.

I fly out of the same airport as your BBJ base and know many of their pilots - both the majority that supported the TA and the others who did not . I find it interesting that even though those guys have made their own (much better) deal with management and have spilt off into their own company (check the SEC Registry), you guys aren't complaining about their organization.

GEX

Dude, put the crack pipe down. It ain't good for the 'ole heart. We arent trying to get the gulfstream job you moron. We are trying to increase OUR pay. If we merge, we wouldn't get to fly the Gbird for a long time. They would become union and left in type. We couldn't touch em for a while. It is all about trying to get what we want (again, PAY), and threatening to file single carrier forces them to make a decision...

As far as sleeping at night....we don't sleep at night because we are trying to figure out how to pay bills. We don't want anything off of the backs of the NJI pilots. We just want what is due to us. Don't drink before you post.

The majority that supported the TA???? Huh???? It failed by 83%. Those that supported it would be called the MINORITY. I think you need to start sucking more oxygen at cruise. Do us all a favor and just shut up unless you have something intelligent to say.

 

[Hawkered]

CE750 Drvr

What exactly was that you were trying to say? Please be more clear>>>LOL!!!

Not to defend B757 and others, but single-carrier could be harder to legit' in court than we think because of the distinctive restriction on aircraft types.

 

[semperfido]

hey catyaak you don't work here, you don't work for nji so why don't you mind your own buisness. You don't know anything about what we do on the road and the history.

Mind your own fing buisness

LOL..this kills me...it's a public forum...an amusement.

 

[Stickshaker]

Mister 757BBJ Capt. (cool name, I bet you have a big watch too. )

You are so outdated.
Your right, it's been over 1300 day's and counting for our new contract and our OLD union had a hard time at it. BUT, we have a new chapter, and a new experienced leadership that is getting things done (such as our new chapter). We will win this long battle. It takes time to do it right.
Now tell us why your so bitter and angry. I know your not as ignorant as you sound, so please just let it out. Maybe you lost a job in the past that was part of a union and now you can't fly your heavy 757. What ever it is, please just talk to someone, life is to short to be so bitter and uniformed.
Good luck Mister 757BBJ CAPT.