NJA Struggling?

[brokeflyer]

management will destroy the whole industry, fact

 

[B19 Flyer]

management will destroy the whole industry, fact

$20.00 per hour per person.

The others will survive and the new standard to stay in the business and make a living at it will be:

$20.00 per hour per person less, without UAW involved.

 

[brokeflyer]

so people are to live in this economy in poverty?.....no wonder mangement ruins companies, thanks for confirming.

 

[cherry20's]

Hey B19 and Broke,

Are you guys gonna fight on every thread that FI has or what?

We get it, B19, you don't like unions, Broke, you don't like Mgmt.

Can't we all just get along. Obama's gonna fix everything, no we needed McCain, no Obama, blah blah blah. Come on guys, its getting old! I can't be the only one thinking this, right?

 

[clydefastly]

I second that.

 

[Nolife]

Lorenzo gets tagged with Eastern, but he also saved Continental and all the carriers that were merged into it. You think any of those pilots at CAL will give him credit for saving the company? Of course not. CAL was toast until he became involved.

Wow... someone actually cheered Lorenzo publicly. Now I have seen it all.

 

[Publishers]

According to broke, a manager who sees his market diminish should be castigated for ruining the company by terminating employees to bring into balance his workforce for the jobs at hand. There is a absolutely no recognition of the concept that managementt has the inherent right to manage the asset at hand for the owners or shareholders, to their and only their satisfaction.
If all management is bad, then surely too are the people like Santuli and others who created and crafted companies like Netjets where opportunities were created for pilots in a business that did not exist some short period of time ago.
If Buffet and Santuli decided tomorrow morning to shutter Netjets as they no longer saw the future viability of the company or it did not meet their objectives for growth and profits, is it not both only their right may it not also be they are good managers defending the assets they have and employing them as they see fit.
B19 sees labor unions as unproductive. Are they inherently bad or are they just prehistoric in their ability to deal in a county wehre small business may well be more important than large. They have certainly demonstrated an inability to respond in a timely manner to major changes in the market. The situation today in the auto bailout is the best point you could make for a union showing it will only change last and when there is no choice.
NJOwner makes the point that the owner wants to go when he wants to go and that they are willing to pay for that ability. Nevertheless, if one gets to the point where they can no longer pay or do not want to pay that premium, Nethjets will shrink just as fast as any other, no matter how well managed, no matter what union in power.

 

[brokeflyer]

I only say that stuff to directly challenge what b19 says....I dont know him and I dont care what his motives are.

I really don't care what managment does. But I find it rather comical to just outright bash someone who has no other intent then to just bash someone or something.

My objective is to take care of my family, and if that means taking te deal the union gives me over the company then so be it. If the company comes out with a bigger deal than the union? well then the union will most likely get voted down. Kinda funny how that hasn't happened. Thinking long term, management sure don't have a history of paying for this service we provide with any earth shattering salary. Most of the time it about 20% below the poverty line.

 

[Buckeye]

Hey B19, tell me again why USA Jet Airlines is going out of business and why they dump on their employees? And remember you washed up old tool they are NON UNION, let me repeat that NON UNION. So we have a FAILURE OF MANAGEMENT, that means tools like yourself, failed kinda like you have at your own company. So that kinda makes you a loser again, your wife and kids must be so proud. Merry Christmas.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Wow. When the MODERATOR bashes you, it might be time to re-think a few things Merry Christmas!