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[Heavy Set]

I just found that Netjets ad in the WSJ that Johnsonrod was referring to - it says:

• 3500 pilots
• 350 flight attendants
• 700 maintenance professionals
• 265 owner service representatives
• 70 schedulers
• 8 meteorologists
• 120 aircraft dispatchers
• 1,700 other professionals

That is a big operation. Not sure how many are related to Netjets USA vs. Netjets Europe vs. Netjets Middle East. Regardless, it is a big company and it is unionized - I have always personally seen that as a positive because you have rights and you are protected - as you know JetBlue pilots are not unionized. Some people hate unions but I am not one of those people (we can all have our own opinions about unions).

Having flown 747s for a 121 operator and now flying corporate, I really enjoy my current job and the interaction I have with the owners. I enjoy visiting new places every tour - I prefer the smaller strips in beautiful places with their own "character" than flying into saturated O'Hare and JFK which I still hit every once and awhile.

Flying the XL/XLS would be great because it would give you the opportunity to fly into all types of challenging airports and get to know the system. I have heard it is a very nice flying aircraft - especially that XLS. Flying "bigger aircraft" should not be an issue for a C-5 pilot who has flown one of the biggest airplanes out there. The Airbus would be small for you just like the XLS. I agree that schedule (7/7 or reserve vs. traditional airline schedule) and type of flying (don't know your destinations until the day before or day of flying vs. set airline route structure) should be your primary considerations because pay is roughly the same over time.

Tough choice, but I would make that choice and then stick to it...

 

[fischman]

I just found that Netjets ad in the WSJ that Johnsonrod was referring to - it says:

• 3500 pilots
• 350 flight attendants
• 700 maintenance professionals
• 265 owner service representatives
• 70 schedulers
• 8 meteorologists
• 120 aircraft dispatchers
• 1,700 other professionals

That is a big operation. Not sure how many are related to Netjets USA vs. Netjets Europe vs. Netjets Middle East. Regardless, it is a big company and it is unionized - I have always personally seen that as a positive because you have rights and you are protected - as you know JetBlue pilots are not unionized. Some people hate unions but I am not one of those people (we can all have our own opinions about unions).

Having flown 747s for a 121 operator and now flying corporate, I really enjoy my current job and the interaction I have with the owners. I enjoy visiting new places every tour - I prefer the smaller strips in beautiful places with their own "character" than flying into saturated O'Hare and JFK which I still hit every once and awhile.

Flying the XL/XLS would be great because it would give you the opportunity to fly into all types of challenging airports and get to know the system. I have heard it is a very nice flying aircraft - especially that XLS. Flying "bigger aircraft" should not be an issue for a C-5 pilot who has flown one of the biggest airplanes out there. The Airbus would be small for you just like the XLS. I agree that schedule (7/7 or reserve vs. traditional airline schedule) and type of flying (don't know your destinations until the day before or day of flying vs. set airline route structure) should be your primary considerations because pay is roughly the same over time.

Tough choice, but I would make that choice and then stick to it...

FWIW, NJA currently only has about 2700 pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

FWIW, NJA currently only has about 2700 pilots.

Total number probably includes NJI, NJE and NJME. Still a pretty big operation. How many pilots working at JetBlue?

For argument's sake, can someone at NJA give an example of how a reserve schedule can mirror a "typical" airline schedule? Just want to see how similar those types of schedules can be.

 

[dudemize]

How many pilots working at JetBlue?

I was told I would be around 1900 give or take a few.

 

[jonjuan]

NJ throws away so much money, it must not be a concern......I only hope that doesnt change.

You should know what they say about hope. Rick could care less as he'll depart the pattern in a couple of years, leave with his millions, and stick the pilots with the bill. Sounds eerily similar to DAL when Leo Mullin walked away with millions a few years ago. Better hope you currently have HBA, or not care, because those who don't will never see it.

 

[Diesel]

currently have HBA, or not care, because those who don't will never see it.

I don't believe that. Its contract negotiations.... and i can tell you this those that don't have HBA's will have them in the next contract. At least if my vote counts for something.

The next ceo can do anything he wants. The contract is already in place and the next contract is brewing.

 

[hydrarkt]

At least if my vote counts for something.

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It doesn't!!!!

 

[Mooneymite]

FWIW, NJA currently only has about 2700 pilots.

Flying the XL/XLS would be great because it would give you the opportunity to fly into all types of challenging airports and get to know the system. I have heard it is a very nice flying aircraft - especially that XLS. Flying "bigger aircraft" should not be an issue for a C-5 pilot who has flown one of the biggest airplanes out there. The Airbus would be small for you just like the XLS. I agree that schedule (7/7 or reserve vs. traditional airline schedule) and type of flying (don't know your destinations until the day before or day of flying vs. set airline route structure) should be your primary considerations because pay is roughly the same over time.

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2620 pilots on the April seniority list.

Everyone has their own idea about how an airplane should fly, but I think the XLS is the worst flying airplane I've ever been typed in. I like the trips, the average leg length and the crews, but the airplane is awful.

Everything about it is "rinky-dink"; the two position stabilizer is an abortion and the autoflight system is a joke. I'm sure there are people out there who love it. I do not.

 

[johnsonrod]

2620 pilots on the April seniority list.

Everyone has their own idea about how an airplane should fly, but I think the XLS is the worst flying airplane I've ever been typed in. I like the trips, the average leg length and the crews, but the airplane is awful.

Everything about it is "rinky-dink"; the two position stabilizer is an abortion and the autoflight system is a joke. I'm sure there are people out there who love it. I do not.

Is it an improvement vs. the regular XL? What "better" airplanes are you comparing it to? Are you suggesting that starting on the Ultra, Encore or Beechjunk would be better for a newhire?

If you really hate the XL/XLS, what aircraft type would you like to bid to next? Hawker 800XP-C? G200?

 

[RideandDrive]

You nailed it on the XL. Autopilot is terrible and the thing is most unpleasant to handfly.