NJA Equipment Type

[gordon24]

Gwadwerc:

Yep, go back and use the lav all you want. I've never had an owner get upset about it. Usually, I'll get up and ask them how everything is going and if they need anything, then, I'll head back there. I try to avoid it if possible if I have more than two pax on board or pax with kids. I hate squeezing through the aisle to get back there.

DorkJet:

I think you're going to enjoy the 800xp. Don't get me wrong, the XL is a good jet, it's just used and abused over at NetJets.

 

[Fozzy]

OKay, that is the risk you take. Sorry, if the choice is the chance they spill vs. me or the FO getting blue, guess what? I will take my chance.
As far as these places that "are not allowed bla bla bla".
Carry that sucker to the next stop (unless it is BAD). My guess is there are to many cheapo's not tipping the rampies. Pay them and they will do the job. Hell I had one guy a year or so ago, came out looking like he worked in a Nuke plant. Cleaned the whole damn bowl and all. He made out nicely.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I have never touched a lav, and never intend to start. That's what the expense report is for.

 

[wanttofly]

Which aircraft has the most comfortable lav? I can't imagine using the Beechjunk or Ultra lav in flight after a trip to Taco Bell - how embarrassing!!!!!

The Ultra/Encore is horriable to go to the bathroom, that is why it is called the walk of shame. There is about to be some new hires put into the encore. They split the ultra/encore fleet and they didn't get enough copilots to fill the initual slots.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Hell I had one guy a year or so ago, came out looking like he worked in a Nuke plant. Cleaned the whole dang bowl and all. He made out nicely.

I witnessed a ramp guy several years ago at Heathrow actually POLISH the lav bowl with Flitz! It was a job he was truly proud to undertake. We could all learn from his example. uke:

 

[Gwadwerc]

OK, so the V and 400XP present extra challenges

Anything else y'all would have wanted to know on the day you were called and offered a choice of equipment? Perhaps Workin' Stiff said it all? Thanks!

 

[Grizz]

The XL pays $225 a month more than any other aircraft you could get offered as a new hire.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Ultra Lav: If you urinate standing up, you must rest your knees on the lav and bend your head forward to assume the appropriate position. If you sit, and are a certain height, you must exit the lav area, get on your knees in the CABIN to pull your pants back up and readjust your shirt/underwear. Try that with 7 on board...JUST SAY NO to the ultra/400XP.

Additionally, the lav area is VENTED to the rest of the airplane cabin/cockpit via the overhead fans so that everyone on board knows what you had for lunch; now THAT is sweet ! uke:

 

[Ultra Grump]

Not to mention the 400's outflow valves are up in the cockpit, so all the lovely odor emanations from the pax end up - you guessed it - in the cockpit... NICE!

 

[RNObased]

Ahh no. $20 makes it all go away.
Didn't the IOE guy explain this to you???

The lav on the 400 is such a POS that very few line guys know how to deal with it. Give them 20 if you want, you will just end up dealing with it anyway.

 

[Ultra Grump]

The lav in the ultra is worse. The 400's is pretty easy by comparison. They just have to wipe the honeypot down before taking it out of the airplane.

99.9% of the time the lav is not an issue. Before every pax leg longer than an hour (especially with kids): "Ummm... you might want to use the restroom in the fbo, the one in the plane is really small and uncomfortable to use." Pax: "Oh, great idea!"

 

[turboshark]

interview

good luck in the interview, these guys really want to know who you are. keep in mind to be friendly and help put the chairs away after the interviews. stick around to help clean up and chat with interviewers if time permits. dont forget to personally thank the linda and derinda for thier time.

regards-

 

[NJAmerica]

If I was a gambling man I would expect the aircraft choice to be limited until they have filled the Encore vacancies

 

[Gwadwerc]

Thanks Turbo

That's a great piece of intel.

 

[Dassault]

Actually the crew lav on the BBJ is terrible, nothing different than the front end of a SWA 7-3. Yes the pax lavs are quite nice, but you can't use em with peeps on board.

 

[CaptJay]

You could get any of these and here's what I've gathered from discussion at indoc:

Ultra/Encore, 400 - No APU. *nuff said I'd personally choose these only if no other option was available, but the work load should be the lightest in the fleet if that means anything to you.

Excel - Busy fleet but very comfortable and nicely equipped. Not as busy as the bigger fleets because it's still considered a Class I cabin and can't recover for anything larger. Usual legs under 3 hours, max would be about 4 empty. No jumps over the pond but plenty of Caribbean and Central America.

Hawker 800 - Nice cabin but minimal baggage for both crew and pax. That's good because they don't pull up with 3 SUV's worth of crap for you to lug, but bad because what they do bring you are expected to shoehorn in somehow. Longer legs than Excel so you'll see more coast to coast but still no pond hopping.

Citation X - Whipping boy of the fleet. 14/10 days for 7 in a row is the norm. Plane is fast and sexy but speed just means it's the best for getting to a recovery and you'll be SMO/TEB/SMO a lot. Small cockpit but nice cabin. But it does have a low dispatch reliability so the plane should give you a rest fairly often. Will go to Europe or Hawaii fairly often.

Sovereign - Nice plane. Same cabin as X but cockpits much roomier. Not as fast and not quite as much range but can get into a lot of the smaller fields. It's the newest fleet and the fastest growing. I don't know if it's going cross pond much though. Of course this one will handle the 3 SUV's and the pax know it so if you have back issues, it wouldn't be my first choice.

G200 - Big, big cabin and long, long legs. Biggest plane without an FA so you'll be the man when it comes to cleaning and stocking a small apartment. Fairly fast but I've heard it is a bit of a pig in the climb. I'm sure lots of international trips on this baby. Oh and about the 3 SUV thing? Expect four or five with this one.

Falcon - I haven't heard of any new hires getting offered this one because it's a higher pay scale, but it could happen. It has a FA so that makes the SIC's job a lot easier right off the bat. Big plane with lots of capability for the extra long flights.

Hey, Gents, the info is very helpful for a new guy like me who is hoping for an interview after a good 121 career. Thanks for the post, and for the responses. I just joined the group this afternoon, and am glad I did. Thanks to all.

 

[tk855]

Hey, Gents, the info is very helpful for a new guy like me who is hoping for an interview after a good 121 career. Thanks for the post, and for the responses. I just joined the group this afternoon, and am glad I did. Thanks to all.

Congrats and welcome! So, with all the information available what aircraft did you end up on?

 

[jtf]

The Excel is at least as busy as the X and they are the two busiest in the fleet. It may be class one, but it does a lot of recovery trips also (I've recovered Falcon trips more than once) and a lot of trips for owners of larger aircraft (or Hawker 400s) that can't get into the shorter runways. You work hard in this aircraft, but at least you make more to do it with the differences pay.

 

[PudgeyDingus]

"Sovereign - Nice plane. Same cabin as X but cockpits much roomier"

The cockpit has more room than a 172, but that is about all. The cockpit is about the same size (small) as the X.

 

[jtf]

The Sovereign, X, and Excel all have the same cabin height and width and basically the same size cockpit. The Excel seems to have the most room of the 3 up front due to less avionics making more room for legs/ knees, but they are all not real comfortable on long flights.