NJA Downgrades

[jonjuan]

Pilot staffing is indeed in the contract. Just not the CBA, but rather our owner contracts. Wrong again.

No it's not. Yet another urban legend that has zero basis in fact. I have seen a contract and it's nowhere to be found. Prove us wrong. Also no where on the Marquis contract. Once again, someone' lying to you.

 

[rajflyboy]

Pilot staffing is governed by the work rules in the contract and not just by some whimsical hiring projection. It's done by cold hard facts.

NJ is by far, the highest pilot per airframe in the fractional industry. NJ managment had to hire pilots that no other fractional would have based on contract rules.
The additional pilots pulled away from stable employment was based on the contract vs. projected flying. As a result, NJ was "fat" by hundreds of pilots and most importantly, could not cut back because of the contract.

Now it's all coming home to roost... don't blame management, blame the inability of the NJ to adjust as a result of the union contract. These furloughs are union related, not the result of poor management by the company. Place the proper blame where it belongs.

Union 101. Squeeze the golden goose till it can no longer lay eggs.

You appear to be forgetting the years of 150 million dollar profits after this contract was signed.

 

[jonjuan]

You appear to be forgetting the years of 150 million dollar profits after this contract was signed.

You mean during the peak period of spending by corporations and weatlthy individuals? What do you think njas profits would if they had signed the contract in 2008? Also, with the same contract in place, where are the profits now? Heck, every frax was profitable in 2005,2006. I also suppose flops will be profitable now, especially with wages (and magically pricing) 30% less than that of nj.

 

[fischman]

Pilot staffing is governed by the work rules in the contract and not just by some whimsical hiring projection. It's done by cold hard facts.

NJ is by far, the highest pilot per airframe in the fractional industry. NJ managment had to hire pilots that no other fractional would have based on contract rules.
The additional pilots pulled away from stable employment was based on the contract vs. projected flying. As a result, NJ was "fat" by hundreds of pilots and most importantly, could not cut back because of the contract.

Now it's all coming home to roost... don't blame management, blame the inability of the NJ to adjust as a result of the union contract. These furloughs are union related, not the result of poor management by the company. Place the proper blame where it belongs.

Union 101. Squeeze the golden goose till it can no longer lay eggs.

Wrong again B19.

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

The company can hire or furlough at will. Nothing the union can do about it. If you're going to spew crap like you're an authority, at least do your homework so you don't look foolish.

Butt handed to you.

 

[rajflyboy]

I guess we all sit back and drink coffee and wait until the meeting next week.

And then we wait for the company Text Message that will come with the facts.

 

[gret]

Wrong again B19.

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

The company can hire or furlough at will. Nothing the union can do about it. If you're going to spew crap like you're an authority, at least do your homework so you don't look foolish.

Butt handed to you.

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

 

[jonjuan]

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

LOL- so, what's the opposite of awesome?

 

[rajflyboy]

I think most of us would be happy if the information flowed from the proper channels. Unfortunately this just isn't the case. Honestly it hasn't been the case for a couple of years.

 

[Flex-ible]

The only thing in the CBA that governs staffing levels at NetJets is 5 pilots per airplane (which I HIGHLY doubt the company could function at that low staffing level.)

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I think Flex aims for something like 4.3 per plane. If it were 5, I might still be there!

 

[fischman]

When you are in a hole, stop digging!

In case you haven't notice, you are trying to lead, but nobody is following.

I'm just stating facts. I realize the truth is not common on FI.com. If you don't like it, feel free to put me on your ignore list.