NJA B757 & 767 aircraft

[Spooky 2]

A friend of mine who has been a part of the management team over at the Large Aircraft division at Net Jets says they have purchased two B767-200ER's. I happen to be familiar with the aircraft in question and was wondering how these aircraft, along with the B757's will impact the pilot group at NJ? Will these be handled and manned the same as the BBJ's. Sounds interesting for the pilot group. The guy I know is down at Delta at this time doing a requal in the 757 as he had prior experience about 10 or 12 years ago.

 

[OldPilot]

some of us new hires already have over 5,000 hours in those things and over 25 years of recurrent trainings in all kinds of stuff down at Ft. Widget, but I don't think NJA management really cares.......

 

[notaNJApilot]

I'd be very surprised if they are coming to NJA. I haven't heard anything about it, and if NJA pilots were going to fly them, I'm pretty sure that I'd hear the commotion. NJA pilots would bid to see who gets to fly them, and that hasn't happened.

 

[Spooky 2]

I'd be very surprised if they are coming to NJA. I haven't heard anything about it, and if NJA pilots were going to fly them, I'm pretty sure that I'd hear the commotion. NJA pilots would bid to see who gets to fly them, and that hasn't happened.

Believe me they are coming. The 57's are going to be used in sports team charters, and hi-end international groups travel. Things like palying the top 25 golf courses around the world. NJA has a name for this particular type of charter but it escapes me now. The 67's should have about 14 hours range so they could be doing some very long haul charter as well.

 

[OldPilot]

767-200ER's could be pretty tired, i.e.close to 20 years in service.
757 / 767 sports charters were quite popular at Delta only a few years ago, and supposedly very profitable.
Hopefully RTS will make them MORE profitable than Delta if NJA intends to play that game.......

 

[notaNJApilot]

Believe me they are coming. The 57's are going to be used in sports team charters, and hi-end international groups travel. Things like palying the top 25 golf courses around the world. NJA has a name for this particular type of charter but it escapes me now. The 67's should have about 14 hours range so they could be doing some very long haul charter as well.

Just like you said...charter. If anything, they are probably going to Executive Jet Management. There was a post on this a couple weeks ago and I think someone said EJM is getting them. NJA is separate from EJM so if that is the case, NJA pilots won't be flying them. As far as I know, no plans have been made to bid NJA pilots to a 757/767.

 

[Diesel]

1.3 Scope of the Agreement
1.3(a) Except as otherwise provided in this Section, all present and future flying
performed in and for the service of the Company, its affiliates, or the Company’s parent
corporation, NetJets, Inc., including present and future flying performed on behalf of the
Company, its affiliates, or NetJets, Inc. pursuant to any agreement or arrangement
which the Company, any of its Affiliates, or NetJets, Inc. holds a majority interest or has
functional control over the flying assignment, shall be performed by pilots named on the
NetJets Aviation, Inc. Pilots Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions
this Agreement and any other applicable agreement between the Company and the
International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Airline Division..

 

[RNObased]

NJA has a name for this particular type of charter but it escapes me now. The 67's should have about 14 hours range so they could be doing some very long haul charter as well.

The name for it is saving your job. The people in large aircraft have been trying to save their jobs for a long time. Way too many chiefs and not enough indians.....

 

[GoFaster]

121 Certificate

Does Netjets have a 121 certificate. It isn't easy getting one of these things these days, and you they would need one for the this type of proposed operation.

 

[gunfyter]

What happened to the 121 certificate Executive Jet had when flying 707s?

 

[NetjetsFalcon]

We should let you bid it out of seniority because you were an airline pilot? Hey that sounds great! My 13 years with EJA/NJA can take a back seat since you have the all the experience....guess again.

some of us new hires already have over 5,000 hours in those things and over 25 years of recurrent trainings in all kinds of stuff down at Ft. Widget, but I don't think NJA management really cares.......

 

[notaNJApilot]

hmmm thanks Diesel. Just say the 757/767's go to EJM, will there be an LOA (like NJI) that says for each EJM pilot trained on the 757, one NJA pilot will be trained as well?
I wonder if the flight attendants will have a chance to go to the 757/767 as well?

Disclaimer: I don't know anything about EJM. Do their pilots have their own seniority list? Does EJM have a union?

 

[Hogprint]

Does Netjets have a 121 certificate. It isn't easy getting one of these things these days, and you they would need one for the this type of proposed operation.

Go, they applied for it last year and the last I heard we were blessed 121 as of last fall and it will go under EJM.

 

[Diesel]

NJALA has also been in the works to get a 121 cert and from what i heard a couple of months ago the exact reason they were getting it was for the 757,767's.

BBJPilot was allways quick on here to explain what was going on over there. We still miss him RIP

 

[OldPilot]

Whooaaa there fella, no guessing involved...nobody can take away your 13 years. Just day dreaming about days gone by. I got mine and I hope you get yours.
By the way, years ago, ALPA made sure that no unemployed Eastern captain could take away my slot with his "experience". Good for me, bad for them, some were my friends... its the nature of the system we've set up.
Make no mistake, I'm happy to be at NJA , even near the bottom of the list.
I pray you are never faced with a similar situation late in your carrer, and that NJA remains a good place for all of us.

 

[Grizz]

I'll be convinced they are coming when they show up on property and NJA pilots are in training to fly them. Until then, it's just a bunch of hooey on an anonymous message board.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Ding! Grizz, you win a cookie!

 

[Spooky 2]

I'll be convinced they are coming when they show up on property and NJA pilots are in training to fly them. Until then, it's just a bunch of hooey on an anonymous message board.

Maybe so. The same guy just told me that a NJA BBJ 6 year Capt makes 195K with 7 on 7 off. Is that possible considering the low wages for the mainline pilots? I know the guy is not BS-ing the 57/67s but that seems like a lot of buck for that operation.

You might be right, but then you could be the one who is full of hooey. Just kidding. I guess we will know pretty quick.

 

[notaNJApilot]

on the reserve schedule a 6 year BBJ captain makes $198k. 7/7 makes $167k. but that is before overtime and all that fun stuff.

 

[Spooky 2]

on the reserve schedule a 6 year BBJ captain makes $198k. 7/7 makes $167k. but that is before overtime and all that fun stuff.

Wow, that is a huge disparity between the NJI guys, much less any NJA pilots. How did that ever happen? More power to them. Makes them just about the highest paid B737 pilots out there in todays world.