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IFlyOU

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Most common questions I have asked by crewmembers.

Q: Why are we selling off so many flights?
A: As I mentioned in a previous thread, 4 main reasons that I can think of right now:

1) NJA no longer has a 'core fleet' (aircraft owned by Netjets). Bash Marquis all you want because of that... but not too hard. Who kept us afloat after 9/11 when we were all twiddiling our thumbs listening to the rumors of 'NO MORE GENERAL AVIATION!'? Don't forget that.

2) imagine you're in a hotel room in the middle of nowhere in rest. above you a QS tail breaks with PAX on board and has to land nearby. You're perfectly rested, however we can't ASAP you out there to recover the flight due to the whole 'prespective rest' issue. This explains your 5 hour show-go's.

3) we have a large number of crewmembers, and a large number of aircraft. we can only communicate to each other so much. as crew services, we want you to communite to us. Tell us if you see a perfectly fine airplane across the ramp sitting there to recover a flight instead of sending one 500 miles away. We want to know this information. This will cut back on sellofs.

4) show times are static. passanger bookings are fluid. we can't predict when and where a trip will pop up. we do what we can with the 'hot spares' and 'hot standby' created by the planning and forcasting department. There is a large difference between 'hot spare' and 'hot standby' by the way in case anyone is curious...

Q: Help! I'm rotting in an FBO/Terminal. I'm not attached to a tail and I don't have a partner!
A: Everyone must be on duty at some point on their duty days. When we put you on the schedule, the schedule planner will create your show time and the computer will default to a 14 hour duty day. You'll be thrown down in a pile into the "don't have anything to do" list, and scheduling doesn't really pay attention to the guys sitting around with nothing to do. Give crew services a call in this situation, We'll try to send you home or to the hotel as soon as possible

Q: My first day out brief sucks! Can I change it?
A: Maybe. Again if you're not attached to a tail, we may be able to change your showtime. Call us the day before and we may be able to 'rebrief' you for something better.

Q:Some pilots have it easy all the time. Why do my tours always suck? Scheduling must have it out for me...
A: Nothing could be further from the truth. Schedulers are problem solvers. They see a hole and they patch it. They really do care about all of you guys, but sometimes they may seem unfair because they have to do everything in their power to make the customer as happy as possible when things go wrong.

Q: I've worked over 12 hours every day this tour! Why!!?
A: Simple. Because when we shut you down early, we lose a crew that can help keep us from selling off a flight should an airplane break elsewhere.

Q: I have a 4 hour show-go? What happened to the normal 1 or 1.5 hour?
A: Please read reason #2 for why we sell off so many flights. :)

Q: Where's my crew food?!!!
A: Should be there... If it isn't, we'll do everything we can to get it on the next leg. Actually, and this is new, when you guys order food, we in crew services will add 2 or 3 steps to your order process to help ensure that it gets there should a ferry get deleated overnight (along with your crew food). It's getting better. If you still don't get fed, let us know immediately. We'll try to get something to you as soon as we can.

Q: I'm tired. Can I stop flying now?
A: KNOW YOUR LIMITS!!!!!!! I cannot stress this point enough. Nobody is going to think any less of you if you call in fatigued. Sure it may screw up some owner trips or throw a wrench into scheduling's plan for you guys but that's not the point. If you start making mistakes because you're tired in flight then let us know about it as soon as possible! You guys bust your asses off every day! We want you guys to go home safe and sound at the end of your tour.

Q: Is crew comm down?
A: Yes

Q: Where's my release?
A: It might be there, it might not. Ask crew services 'Do you see a dot above our upcoming trip?'. If they say "Yes", then chances are, your release isn't there. a dot = probably no release as of yet. This will help dispatch out by cutting down the call volume to them so they can get your release to you as soon as possible.

Q: Can we show at the hotel?
A: Maybe... it depends on a lot of things. Showing at the hotel instead of the FBO can be tricky to handle. Call us a half hour or so before your show. We may be able to approve it. HOWEVER, if we change your show from the FBO to the hotel, we can only change yours. Your partner is a different story. We can't have crewmembers breaking each other's rest. Let us know if your partner has approved the change in show location as well if we do approve it.

Q: Do you show any changes for us?
A: Yup

Q: What we are doing makes no sense! What is going on?
A: Somebody knows. Don't hang up the phone until you get an answer that makes sense. If it doesn't make sense, then, well, don't hang up the phone! :)

Q: Can I order crew food out of columbus?
A: Yes!! Bring leftovers!

Q: I've been on hold with MX Control for over 20 minutes!
A: I know. It sucks. Hang in there, we're hiring!

Hope this helps guys. If you have any other questions, then please please PLEASE post them or Message me. I'd be glad to help!!
 
Thanks for your input. I'm sure the NJA guys appreciate your enthusiasm and your willingness to communicate and share insight with them. That's very refreshing.
 
IFlyOU said:
2) imagine you're in a hotel room in the middle of nowhere in rest. above you a QS tail breaks with PAX on board and has to land nearby. You're perfectly rested, however we can't ASAP you out there to recover the flight due to the whole 'prespective rest' issue. This explains your 5 hour show-go's.

I don't understand what you are saying with this point. If the crew was needed after the end of their of rest period, they could still be assigned to recover the trip. I don't understand why a required rest period then necessitates a 5-hour "show-go" in this example.

Are you perhaps saying that the recovery trip was subcontracted and as a result, a rested NetJets crew must wait 5 hours in an FBO?

Thank you for posting. I did find your responses interesting. I hope that all of the operations folks (pilots, mechanics, flight managers, dispatchers and schedulers) can work together and realize that we are all on the same team.
 
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Guitar Guy said:
I don't understand what you are saying with this point. If the crew was needed after the end of their of rest period, they could still be assigned to recover the trip. I don't understand why a required rest period then necessitates a 5-hour "show-go" in this example.

Are you perhaps saying that the recovery trip was subcontracted and as a result, a rested NetJets crew must wait 5 hours in an FBO?

Thank you for posting. I did find your responses interesting. I hope that all of the operations folks (pilots, mechanics, flight managers, dispatchers and schedulers) can work together and realize that we are all on the same team.

A: the long show-go's is schedulings way to cover their own rear ends. there are 2 types of schedulers: current day and next day. the next day schedulers are the ones who come up with these long show/go's. they have a big picture of what is going to happen overnite, and they are thinking that something may go wrong in your area and we may need you early.

say you're legal at 10am. say we have you show at legal (10am) and your go time is at 3pm with passangers. That's 5 hours. You show up at the FBO, preflight, and sit for a little bit. You then get a call from us saying that we need you to ASAP elsewhere for a quick recovery.

Well what about your go time at 3pm with passangers? Doesn't apply anymore. It's a long way in the future and scheduling is already working on replacing your origional trip with something else.

Beleive me, the next day schedulers hate to do this, and we hate to tell you this the night before when we shut you down after a long day... however, it is impossible to predict what will happen overnite, and what airplanes will break.

I'm not saying we will subcontract a flight in this case if we can't find anyone nearby. Scheduling never wants to subcontract, ever.

I will admit that we do have a lack of aircraft available (as well as too many Marquis owners) and this one of the reasons for subcontracting. We no longer have a core fleet, and we have more marquis owners than ever. We have (i think) well over 100 aircraft on order over the next year or two to speed up the recovery time and minimize the number of subcontracts... and you guys rotting in FBO's will be the ones to fly them!

I know, there are a lot of things that suck right now, but they are getting better.
 
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Guitar Guy said:
I hope that all of the operations folks (pilots, mechanics, flight managers, dispatchers and schedulers) can work together and realize that we are all on the same team.

Me too...

I think everyone who works in the casino should hang out with you for one tour and see how they like it! I don't think i would last very long...

*respect*
 
IFlyOU said:
Me too...

I think everyone who works in the casino should hang out with you for one tour and see how they like it! I don't think i would last very long...

*respect*

We all have our own piece of the puzzle to work. I think the trick is being able to see other people's pieces as well your own. Thank you for your response.
 
Q: I'm going to Canada. What do I do?
A: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CALL CANPASS 2 HOURS PRIOR!

Q: Tomorrow's my last day. Can I airline home a day early?
A: Most likely no. If the ACP approves it, then it is considered favoritism on the ACP's part.

Q: Can I waive my rest to airline home early on my last day?
A: Yes you can. We have questioned the FAA about this and have found it to be legal to waive rest to airline home early on your last day. You must approve it, as well as scheduling and the ACP on duty.

Q: My airline is delayed on my last day, Can you adjust my shutdown time?
A: Not anymore. Get a Fli-Flow from the airline upon landing and submit it with your expense report. We're trying to get that changed so we can spare you guys the hassle of getting one. This may change soon however. It may be the way it used to be (if it's less than 3 hours, we'll take your word for it and adjust shutdown. if it's more than 3 hours, get a fli-flow).

Q: What is the difference between hot spare and hot standby?
A: Schedule planning comes up with the hot spares. Scheduling treats them as important as the owner trips, scheduling 'assigns' the hot spares before the owner trips. Hot spares must be covered! Hot standby, on the other hand, is basically you backing up another a/c in the area.

Q: I've just got to the hotel and my whole brief sheet isn't here! Just the duty line summary. What gives?
A: Crew services sent the next day fax and your next day page at the same time. Computer flaw. Not everyone in crew services knows this. Let them know to not send the fax and the page at the same time.

Q: Why can't my partner and I order the same meal?
A: Because the caterer may poison you. If you do get the same meal (eg. 2 breakfasts burrito's), one of you must agree to eat yours after the other per the FOM. Remember the movie Airplane?

Q: I blocked out 1 minute late. Why do i have to talk to the ACP?
A: As of last week, Santulli's orders. (Won't go too much into detail on that one for lots of reasons). This only applies to the Ultra/Excel guys for now I believe...

Q: I'm empty to an international location part 91 and coming back part 135 (so says my brief sheets). Doesn't the inbound flight rule have to match the outbound flight rule?
A: Yes, it does. Ignore your brief sheets if the flight rules don't agree. Everyone knows what flight rule you are, and everyone should have been advised. If you're 135, Make sure crew services or JEPPS has sent the APIS, the GenDec, and the 178 forms as necessary for both legs.

Q: I don't have a brief for next tour
A: Did something recently change for you? Were you a PSIC upgraded to an SIC, did you change from Flex to 7/7? This will make you slip through the cracks. Let us know if you've had any changes to your schedule / flight status so we can have crew planning put you into the system.
 
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About the same crew food. The entire rest of the contents are the same, and are the things most likely to get you sick. Potatoe salad, pasta salad, rotten fruit. So the argument that food poisoning is the issue in ordering the same main dish, is really weak.

And Airplane was a comedy. (I still dont eat the fish)
 
CE750Driver said:
About the same crew food. The entire rest of the contents are the same, and are the things most likely to get you sick. Potatoe salad, pasta salad, rotten fruit. So the argument that food poisoning is the issue in ordering the same main dish, is really weak.

And Airplane was a comedy. (I still dont eat the fish)

Technically, it's any food. If you both get an apple, eat yours an hour after he eats his. It doesn't have to be the same 'meal' per se.

It's in the FOM, approved by the FAA... therefore it's a federal regulation...

Is it always followed? Nah... and don't call me Surely.
 
IFlyOU said:
It's in the FOM, approved by the FAA... therefore it's a federal regulation...

Is it always followed? Nah... and don't call me Surely.


Surely you jest - all regulations are obediently and blindly followed to the letter.

And I didn't call you "Shirley".
 

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