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DadofSeven

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Just a quick question for the NJ guys. I was on the IBT website and some clown said that the current NJ contract was being recinded or being forced to be re-negociated. Is that even possible? Are things that bad over there? I though you guys maded money the first quarter.
 
DadofSeven said:
Just a quick question for the NJ guys. I was on the IBT website and some clown said that the current NJ contract was being recinded or being forced to be re-negociated. Is that even possible?
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Rescinded? :laugh: No, it's not being rescinded or under some kind of "forced" renegotiation. The clown in question is indeed a clown. It's a contract, and short of the company entering Chapter 11 (not likely), neither side can simply change the terms.

Our current contract has the option of a 3-year extension. It's entirely at the company's discretion to extend it, provided they meet some criteria spelled out in the contract. If they choose not to, or don't meet the criteria, then we'll enter normal bargaining just prior to our current contract's amendable date. But until a new contract is signed, this one is in full force. Not sure where your clown got his information, but it's way off.

Are things that bad over there? I though you guys maded money the first quarter.
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I have no idea what's really going on; they don't tell us much these days.
 
CA1900 said:
I have no idea what's really going on; they don't tell us much these days.
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Apparently no one except the top level NJA execs know what's going on................. We've got someone who cannot confirm or deny any rumors are true....Just that "we've" not been told anything..How's that for rumor control!!

Hope that clarifies the current NJA happenings:beer:
 
BentOver said:
Apparently no one except the top level NJA execs know what's going

Hope that clarifies the current NJA happenings:beer:
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are you sure about that?
 
ozpilot said:
God help us!
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God help you,amen, i'm former NJA,and i look at the current situation with genuine concern for my brothers and sisters over there.
 
CA1900 said:
Rescinded? :laugh: No, it's not being rescinded or under some kind of "forced" renegotiation. The clown in question is indeed a clown. It's a contract, and short of the company entering Chapter 11 (not likely), neither side can simply change the terms.

Our current contract has the option of a 3-year extension. It's entirely at the company's discretion to extend it, provided they meet some criteria spelled out in the contract. If they choose not to, or don't meet the criteria, then we'll enter normal bargaining just prior to our current contract's amendable date. But until a new contract is signed, this one is in full force. Not sure where your clown got his information, but it's way off.

I have no idea what's really going on; they don't tell us much these days.
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I have forgotten the criteria..... Do you remember what was required to extend it? I thought it was simply the combining of operations?

If they haven't met the criteria, the 2012 contract date could be another motive for the company to be such pains in the rear at the moment.....and not be forthecoming with "certain" important career info.....

just another in a long line of theories!!
 
Looking at it, you're basically right: the only prerequisite is that they have to have at least 85% of US accounts' international flights flown by pilots on our seniority list. (I don't know if the integration was enough to achieve this, though, if too many of those flights were done by NJE.)

Then, if they do extend it, they agree to maintain the health coverage to the new amendable date in 2016, add ten more crew bases (probably irrelevant now), and adjust the payscales based on CPI-U annually for each remaining year of the extended contract.
 
Sorry Gun. I think they will extend.

Your numbers are off since the Bamster's gub'mint is cooking the inflation books. CPI will be closer to 3 percent and that is a VERY cheap price for an additional three years of relative labor "peace" while they try and rebuild credibility with current and potential clients. Any protracted "unrest" during a contract negotiation in Netjets' current state would be devastating. And I think the brain trust actually IS smart enough to recognize that much, if not much else.
 
They won't be able to extend. International flying isn't where it needs to be, and all grievances have to settled.

Not gonna happen...
 
How can anyone PROVE any figures provided by management? For example, does anyone really believe they sold off less than 11 days in 4Q10? I don't. And no, I have no proof for that position. Its my opinion. Bottom line is that there is no definitive way to prove any of the numbers they share with the union.
 
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Jack Campbell said:
How can anyone PROVE any figures provided by management? For example, does anyone really believe they sold off less than 11 days in 4Q10? I don't. And no, I have no proof for that position. Its my opinion. Bottom line is that there is no definitive way to prove any of the numbers they share with the union.
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That there's the facts. Jack, I fully agree.
 
The one year snapshot on international flying starts this November. They have to decide by November of 2012 to extend it or not. If they decide not to extend it, the contract becomes amendable in May of 2013. Section 6 openers can be put out 6 months prior to that.

November of 2012 should be interesting.
 
Grizz said:
The one year snapshot on international flying starts this November. They have to decide by November of 2012 to extend it or not. If they decide not to extend it, the contract becomes amendable in May of 2013. Section 6 openers can be put out 6 months prior to that.

November of 2012 should be interesting.
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Even more interesting than now...wow:laugh:

Not sure your election intentions, but if I had a vote you'd most likely have it.
 
So here is an honest question... If management decides not to extend the contract, is there something different about how negotiations work at a fractional then at a mainline? I look at the poor AA pilots. They have been working under their same contract for what about a decade? How long did flight options have to fight for their ********************ty contract ?

I'm guessing (and that is a big guess because I'm clueless on this) that management 101 is to delay, delay, delay. In doing so, your wages real buying power and the actual cost to the company becomes less and less and less. What forces management to actually sign a contract or negotiate in a timely manner ?

What can one expect if management decides to not extend the Netjet contract ?
 
T-1GUY said:
What can one expect if management decides to not extend the Netjet contract ?
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Chaos. Mayhem. And an already wounded company pushed to the brink. JMHO.
 
gutshotdraw said:
Chaos. Mayhem. And an already wounded company pushed to the brink. JMHO.
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The only problem I have with this theory is that when the company treated so so many so terribly, and cut staffing to the bone... NJA pilots were intent on doing everything they could to keep the owners happy... IE: they inadvertantly ended up working longer days, flying more tired, basically NOT DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND.....BUT mess with the contract or draw out negotiations then it's "burn this M.F. down!"

I disagree with the thought process behind it. It takes on the form of an "I'm gonna get mine attitude." But if I hear one pilot say, "were you here for the 2012-2015 contract" I may just create my own Mayhem and chaos!!:)


The Union has already stated that getting much more in the way of pay is going to be very very difficult because of our current levels. So the gains will be made with the smaller QOL aspects of the contract.
 
BentOver said:
The only problem I have with this theory is that when the company treated so so many so terribly, and cut staffing to the bone... NJA pilots were intent on doing everything they could to keep the owners happy... IE: they inadvertantly ended up working longer days, flying more tired, basically NOT DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND.....BUT mess with the contract or draw out negotiations then it's "burn this M.F. down!"

I disagree with the thought process behind it. It takes on the form of an "I'm gonna get mine attitude." But if I hear one pilot say, "were you here for the 2012-2015 contract" I may just create my own Mayhem and chaos!!:)


The Union has already stated that getting much more in the way of pay is going to be very very difficult because of our current levels. So the gains will be made with the smaller QOL aspects of the contract.
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I agree here, too. We might actually get a slight pay cut, given the woes of the economy.
 
FO pay will have to be addressed. We're two presidents away (at least) from the next upgrade class...
 

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