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DoubtingThomas said:
Do you wish you took the job at NJ?

No sarcasm... I'd like to know why Dubai didn't work for you.
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I am greatful that I did not take the job a NJA, as it would most likely have prevented me from landing the job that I just got. The company at Dubai was great, but the lifestyle was not for me.
 
rchcfi said:
I agree that pilots shouldn't be blamed for their misguided management. However, when somebody takes a job flying an E-170 because it is a "cool" airplane, they are directly affecting this industry. There are other regionals that pay more to fly real "regional" aircraft. (If there is such a thing anymore)

I'm not just bashing Republic but also Mesaba. Who thinks that making $35/hr after 5 years as an F/O on a -900 is worth it?! And we are all wondering why Mesaba is primed for growth....We're our own worst enemy people!
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I don't think that many pilots chose a regional based on the a/c that are flown (that's what I hope, anyway). I chose RAH for the bases that are offered. I interviewed for all three certificates and I took the first class that was offered which happened to be the 170. Is it a nice airplane? Very, but I wouldn't (and I hope most wouldn't) give their left nut to fly it (that's reserved for the P-51).

Something else to keep in mind, we now have a lot of CRJ and 135/40/45 pilots being displaced to the 170. People may look at them with disgust feeling that they went to Republic to fly a "cool" airplane when in reality, most don't want to be here b/c they have been displaced from their bases and are now commuters and NO airplane is worth that!

In the end, everyone has their own reason for going to a certain airline. Are any of them wrong? Even if it is just to fly a "cool" airplane, No. Nothing wrong with it. Just don't demonstrate high-levels of d.o.u.c.h.e.baggery (periods to beat the censor) b/c of it. Be a professional b/c in the end, we're all in this together.
 
Captain Morgan said:
I didn't look at Wikipedia. I have an affection for airline history. They all were regionals that came and went, just like you were talking about. They all fed legacies at some point. You might pay special attention to Rocky Mountain Air, Britt, PBA, and Bar Harbor. They all became Continental Express and thus became ExpressJet. I was at ExpressJet for a year and a half. Now I'm at Chautauqua. It's the same stuff, different airline, +/- a few bucks an hour. While XJT has cancellation pay which they are so proud of, they also have Junior Manning, which we at Chautauqua don't. I've been junior manned at XJT but never at CHQ. You guys need Cancellation pay at XJT because you fly in and out of EWR. We hardly touch EWR and the closest we come based in the NYC area is LGA and it's just a small base. I didn't even attend Riddle, not after I applied, was accepted and saw the price they wanted. Yikes! I know XJT is still in business. I hope they don't go out of business. It was my sick little joke to ruffle your feathers and it worked. I enjoyed my time there and I wish the best for them.
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Another piece of history for you..JO ran continental express for a while.
 
Let me add that many people choose what regional to go to based on supply and demand.
 
PBRstreetgang said:
For now!
PBR
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I know. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall. At least I can savor it now, as long as I can. What some people dont know is that Chautauqua is an Indian word named for the region where the company was founded in Jamestown, NY just outside of Erie, PA and Buffalo, NY. Back in 1973 they codeshared exclusively for USAir as Allegheny Commuter in Beech 99's (No SJS there). It wasn't until the mid to late 90's when the Major pilots allowed regional jets to be flown by regionals that Chautauqua gathered up a few more codeshares.
 
nerjdriver said:
Hopefully a RAH plane screws you out of your mainline job someday!
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Your chances at your "so called" mainline job went down the day mainline pilots allowed regional jets at the regional level. The cat is out of the bag, so it matters very little what RAH does, as there are several others standing in line to take their place.
 
EMBPILOT1 said:
Your chances at your "so called" mainline job went down the day mainline pilots allowed regional jets at the regional level. The cat is out of the bag, so it matters very little what RAH does, as there are several others standing in line to take their place.
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I disagree. I think we'll see a little more outsourcing of routes as companies right-size platforms to routes and their load demands. Let's face it, some routes served by 73s and the smaller busses are better served by the erjs, crjs, and dashes. However, I believe we've seen the end of the line in terms of size of aircraft regional operators will fly for their codeshare partners. I think that the mainline pilots understand how crucial this issue is to those who will follow and to their own income potential, and will prevent a further expansion in size of regional aircraft. Age 65 and the slowing econmy have cooled things down but the majors will hire again.
 
Ratherbsurfing said:
I disagree. I think we'll see a little more outsourcing of routes as companies right-size platforms to routes and their load demands. Let's face it, some routes served by 73s and the smaller busses are better served by the erjs, crjs, and dashes. However, I believe we've seen the end of the line in terms of size of aircraft regional operators will fly for their codeshare partners. I think that the mainline pilots understand how crucial this issue is to those who will follow and to their own income potential, and will prevent a further expansion in size of regional aircraft. Age 65 and the slowing econmy have cooled things down but the majors will hire again.
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I think you will see some routes go back to mainline and some go to regionals. Nothing new here as they change due to market needs.

I never said the majors would not hire again, but don't blame one regional for decisions that were made a long time ago by major airlines.
 
EMBPILOT1 said:
I think you will see some routes go back to mainline and some go to regionals. Nothing new here as they change due to market needs.

I never said the majors would not hire again, but don't blame one regional for decisions that were made a long time ago by major airlines.
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Whoops, I reread your post and misrepresented what you were saying, sorry. I do agree with your sentiment regarding blaming RAH, that cat was released from the proverbial hat a long time ago. Don't hate RAH because they're doing well at the moment, as I said earlier that's just the nature of the regionals. Our decline or demise will surely come as another's star rises.
 
EMBPILOT1 said:
Your chances at your "so called" mainline job went down the day mainline pilots allowed regional jets at the regional level. The cat is out of the bag, so it matters very little what RAH does, as there are several others standing in line to take their place.
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To the Midwest mainline pilots it matters very much what RAH does.
 
nerjdriver said:
To the Midwest mainline pilots it matters very much what RAH does.
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You and the MEH pilots are going to feel like a$$holes when they get put on the list at the new Delta. They are kicking and screaming like spoiled children. The fact of the matter is, they don't know what's going to happen until the dust settles with this merger.
 
Captain Morgan said:
You and the MEH pilots are going to feel like a$$holes when they get put on the list at the new Delta. They are kicking and screaming like spoiled children. The fact of the matter is, they don't know what's going to happen until the dust settles with this merger.
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Pretty heartless on your part, don't you think!

I can't believe this comment from someone who has no idea what will happen with the merger (as most of us don't). NWA doesn't control Midwest- they own a large portion of the company. The new joint contract gives Delta leeway on disposing of the stake in Midwest- they don't have to integrate the Midwest pilots and have a time extension to dispose of NWA's stake in Midwest.

Say what you want, but you would be 'kicking and screaming like spoiled children' if your job was outsourced and you were facing eviction, forclosure, etc. Have a bit of sympathy and mellow out.
 
higherflyer said:
Pretty heartless on your part, don't you think!

I can't believe this comment from someone who has no idea what will happen with the merger (as most of us don't). NWA doesn't control Midwest- they own a large portion of the company. The new joint contract gives Delta leeway on disposing of the stake in Midwest- they don't have to integrate the Midwest pilots and have a time extension to dispose of NWA's stake in Midwest.

Say what you want, but you would be 'kicking and screaming like spoiled children' if your job was outsourced and you were facing eviction, forclosure, etc. Have a bit of sympathy and mellow out.
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There are a lot of people on the street so as far as I'm concerned we are all one step away from eviction, forclosure, etc. My point was, this airline was one step away from not existing so they would be so lucky to have a shot at being merged onto the Delta list. In any case, it is what it is. We loaned them money and signed a codeshare agreement until they could take over the planes. They can figure out the payment of their pilots on their end. I just don't like the fact that we are considered the bad guys when they have the support of our pilot group. I hope they don't go on the street, I think that you misunderstood me or I didn't complete my thoughts clearly enough on my post.
 
If I see or hear the word "rightsizing" one more time, I'm going to puke! It's a friggin corporate bean counter PC euphemism for "downsizing". Let's call it what it is.
 
Captain Morgan said:
My point was, this airline was one step away from not existing so they would be so lucky to have a shot at being merged onto the Delta list.
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That won't happen. There's no incentive to merge Midwest in, mainly due to Delta having more than enough equipment already to cover what little MEH AND RAH do. Also, 12,500 pilots won't let 400 in. Harsh reality. I can't believe people keep bagging on RAH pilots for this. No full-service airline this size exists anymore. To think RAH pilots are taking mainline jobs is absurd. This business model was dead in 2002, how it even lasted this long is just short of a miracle. Now it just exists long enough to get gutted for Delta and TPG's gain. Nobody else.
 
nerjdriver said:
To the Midwest mainline pilots it matters very much what RAH does.
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When the PID brought by the Comair/ASA pilots in 2000 was shot down by Delta dba ALPA, the Midwest pilots were very, very quiet. They were, after all, big airplane drivers who wanted so much to identify with the mainliners.

With that foolish, anti-union act, ALPA sent an unmistakable signal to management that alter egos were permissable. That was it. We were all thrown under the bus by our own union.

Many of you still don't get it and want to blame Republic pilots. ALPA is complicit with managment in creating alter egos.
 

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