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Buda6868

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10:00 news reported on pilot fatigue in the regional level. Showed Mesa headquarters and spoke with some lady there i think named Dana Mcooley or something to that effect. Two pilots that had their face blacked out and voice changed gave some opinions that were not good. "I was so tired I just a wanted to get home and sleep, I did not care if there were maintenance issues, I just wanted to sleep. Talks about standup overnights. One pilot said "the regulations are written in blood and that is what it will take to get them changed."

Said Southwest ended standup overnights 10 years ago, but it is still going on in the regionals.

They must be doing a series. I tried to find the story, but only found this poster Nov. 9th


http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...ories/wfaa061108_mo_tiredpilots.1b6739d3.html
 
Buda6868 said:
10:00 news reported on pilot fatigue in the regional level. Showed Mesa headquarters and spoke with some lady there i think named Dana Mcooley or something to that effect. Two pilots that had their face blacked out and voice changed gave some opinions that were not good. "I was so tired I just a wanted to get home and sleep, I did not care if there were maintenance issues, I just wanted to sleep. Talks about standup overnights. One pilot said "the regulations are written in blood and that is what it will take to get them changed."

Said Southwest ended standup overnights 10 years ago, but it is still going on in the regionals.

They must be doing a series. I tried to find the story, but only found this poster Nov. 9th


http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...ories/wfaa061108_mo_tiredpilots.1b6739d3.html
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The darkest and best kept secret of "regional" 121 flying and along with the userous pay scales, a reason why this industry is really broken in terms of pilot supply vs. demand.

Keep looking inside those Flying Magazines for $50,000 flight schools with 0-RJ jobs.. be a cool airline pilot... yea, right.
 
Maybe someday, one of the big-time news shoes... 20/20 or 60 Minutes or something will air this story. They love to do stories about "this is how close you are to death and you had no idea." Could be some good press coverage for the cause of pilots needing more sleep.
 
flyf15 said:
Maybe someday, one of the big-time news shoes... 20/20 or 60 Minutes or something will air this story. They love to do stories about "this is how close you are to death and you had no idea." Could be some good press coverage for the cause of pilots needing more sleep.
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You're prolly to young to remember, but 60 min (or maybe it was 20/20) did a story on this very subject about 10 years ago... even named ASA as one of the airlines... In the mean time, a year later, I was still flying "naps" with 3-4 hours of hotel time...
 
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I love it, they actually said what we make, the public probably dosent believe it though.
 
siucavflight said:
I love it, they actually said what we make, the public probably dosent believe it though.
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What the general public doesn't know about flying could fill a book. Check that; MANY books.
 
CopilotDoug said:
What the general public doesn't know about flying could fill a book. Check that; MANY books.
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Yes, I am just glad to see that someone got the story out there.
 
CopilotDoug said:
What the general public doesn't know about flying could fill a book. Check that; MANY books.
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you mean like..

"you're a pilot?? Wow, you must make a lot of money!!" :rolleyes:
 
I do NOT put my family on regional airlines. If need be, we drive to another airport and take a mainline carrier.
 
VABB said:
I do NOT put my family on regional airlines. If need be, we drive to another airport and take a mainline carrier.
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that is a good plan. considering the horrible safety record of regional carriers compared to the mainline carriers. oh wait....
 
VABB said:
I do NOT put my family on regional airlines. If need be, we drive to another airport and take a mainline carrier.
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Oh yes, that is safer, there are a lot more regional crashes then on the mainlines. Oh wait a sec, oh yep, other way around.
 
VABB said:
I do NOT put my family on regional airlines. If need be, we drive to another airport and take a mainline carrier.
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Good idea...Driving is so much safer than flying :rolleyes:
 
Well it's hard to get some decent sack time sleeping on plywood.

Yeah them regionals are dangerous. Mesaba; 62 years, 0 passenger fatalities.
 
That video was a great advertisement for the quality, low-cost lodging provided to crewmembers at the MOTEL MESA. So, fly on in to your local MOTEL MESA, we'll leave the APU on for ya!
 
The lady is leaving the RAA

RAA Chairman Expresses Thanks to Debby McElroy for 19 Years Service to RAA

Good afternoon, everyone--
By now, you've all had a chance to soak in the news of Debby McElroy's departure from RAA after 19+ years of very distinguished service to the association. Over these nearly two decades, she has earned the respect of all her constituents in Washington and throughout the industry, becoming nearly synomous with our segment and causes in the process. Because of this, it's no surprise at all that she'd attract the attention of ACI or other such groups, with offers like the one she's accepted being a direct reflection of the great work she's done on our behalf and a tremendous, well deserved compliment to her and her professional capability. I know you'll join me in expressing that we're going to miss her terribly, while at the same time, being very happy for her and the opportunities she'll have in her new role.
With these mixed emotions, we'll be turning our attention to the task of selecting our next president. Our objective will be to frame out and launch the search process. We will plan to brief both the Board and the President's Council on our plan at the Fall Meeting. Along the way, I'd like to invite you all to share your thoughts on process, as well as any recommendations you may have for potential successor candidates, with myself, Paul Foley, Bryan Bedford, Mike Olson and Bruce Keiner.
In the meantime, please join me in congratulating Debby on the recognition her selection represents and in thanking her for all she has done for our industry.
We will certainly set aside time at the Fall Meeting for these purposes as well. Thank you all for your support and engagement.
Sincerely,
Jeff
Jeff Pinneo
President and CEO
Horizon Air
2006 Chairman, Regional Airline Association​
 
Connie Chung said:
I would ask you what your reason for this is, but then I forgot that you know everything!!
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How many mainline airline pilots do you see on youtube.com filming themselves at work and being all giddy about it. i.e., I want a professinal up front, not some punk-kid who thinks it's "cool" to be a pilot.

The commuter airlines treat their people like crap and it shows. Look at some of these threads on this board. People complaining because they have no time and money to eat. So they show up to work hungry. Others talking about fatigue and sleeping on the airplanes. No thanks, I'll take my business elsewhere.
 
gnx99 said:
Well it's hard to get some decent sack time sleeping on plywood.

Yeah them regionals are dangerous. Mesaba; 62 years, 0 passenger fatalities.
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Pinnacle: dude, let's go to FL410. Remember that one??

Again, I want professionals up front, not punks who thinks it's "cool" to go to 410.
 
VABB said:
Pinnacle: dude, let's go to FL410. Remember that one??

Again, I want professionals up front, not punks who thinks it's "cool" to go to 410.
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You know Pinnacle and Mesaba are not the same company, yes? I was simply giving an example that one of the safest airlines in the world (Mesaba) is a regional. You implied ALL regionals are dangerous.
 
The flying public doesn't care....nor do they care what employees at WalMart make per hour.

Just as long as they can buy more at a cheap price.......its the American way!
 
Almerick07 said:
not condoning what the company does in any way but even mesa has a pretty good safety record....
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Although at least one of their major accidents (air midwest) was attributed to inferior outsourced maintenance. (I know, this could happen at any regional or mainline, these days.)
 
VABB said:
Pinnacle: dude, let's go to FL410. Remember that one??

Again, I want professionals up front, not punks who thinks it's "cool" to go to 410.
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I am sure that this is just flamebait, and I know that you can not be serious.
 
siucavflight said:
I am sure that this is just flamebait, and I know that you can not be serious.
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My point is that regional pilots are not perceived as being professionals. Note, I did not say that all of you are not, but that is the perception.

Case in point, look at some of the threads and comments on this board. No time to eat and no money to buy food, so guys show up to work hungry and eating scraps of condiments from the hotel breakfast buffet? Fatigued because of nowhere to sleep other than on the airplane?

So why would I want to put any of my family on an airplane in an industry where the odds are good that the crew is fatigued from lack of sleep and no food?

And it doesen't end there. Go to youtube and see how many people at the regionals are filming themselves like a giddy teenager with his first car. I want my family on an airplane where the crew is concentrating on flying the airplane, not filming it.

I know, not all of you do this either, but it doesen't take very many to create that impression.

And how about the video that was referenced in this link? The pilot talking about being so fatigued that he wasn't sure if he could handle an emergency?? What business does he have being in a cockpit with that attitude. If he's too tired, it's called a FATIGUE CALL to crew scheduling.

The working conditions are horrible, the pay sucks, and still people choose to put up with the abuse. I don't get it.
 
VABB said:
My point is that regional pilots are not perceived as being professionals. Note, I did not say that all of you are not, but that is the perception.

Case in point, look at some of the threads and comments on this board. No time to eat and no money to buy food, so guys show up to work hungry and eating scraps of condiments from the hotel breakfast buffet? Fatigued because of nowhere to sleep other than on the airplane?

So why would I want to put any of my family on an airplane in an industry where the odds are good that the crew is fatigued from lack of sleep and no food?

And it doesen't end there. Go to youtube and see how many people at the regionals are filming themselves like a giddy teenager with his first car. I want my family on an airplane where the crew is concentrating on flying the airplane, not filming it.

I know, not all of you do this either, but it doesen't take very many to create that impression.

And how about the video that was referenced in this link? The pilot talking about being so fatigued that he wasn't sure if he could handle an emergency?? What business does he have being in a cockpit with that attitude. If he's too tired, it's called a FATIGUE CALL to crew scheduling.

The working conditions are horrible, the pay sucks, and still people choose to put up with the abuse. I don't get it.
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You are a TOOL!!!! How many regional interviews did you fail?
 

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