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While we are argueing over Age60, Open Skies will sneak by with its noisy steam rollers and flatten us all....

Better get informed and activated.. Counting on the the Elected leaders that you probably didn't vote for isn't the way to protect your career....

Well that may be true but if the recent amnesty "deals" are any indication the politicians from both sides are going to do what ever government and commerce want them to do. Both parties supported the NAFTA deal. Unless there is a Boston Tea Party mindset and action (which probably won't happen) the polticians will do whatever they want.
 
Calm down everyone.

#1. There is no money to be made in the domestic market. Trust me, no smart airline would come into the U.S to fight for such a junk yielding ticket.


#2. There is already a bunch of LCC's from the EU traveling to the U.S everyday. Stand in the termial at SFB, you will see thousands of people waiting to fill some very Heavy-type airplanes back to the EU.


#3. There is no more space to park. Where would they go? Not any major airport in the U.S, everything is full.


#4. Nobody is going to surf the internet in germany for the lowest ticket. They are going to go with the brand that they know, or at least can spell.
 
Calm down everyone.

#1. There is no money to be made in the domestic market. Trust me, no smart airline would come into the U.S to fight for such a junk yielding ticket.


#2. There is already a bunch of LCC's from the EU traveling to the U.S everyday. Stand in the termial at SFB, you will see thousands of people waiting to fill some very Heavy-type airplanes back to the EU.


#3. There is no more space to park. Where would they go? Not any major airport in the U.S, everything is full.


#4. Nobody is going to surf the internet in germany for the lowest ticket. They are going to go with the brand that they know, or at least can spell.

Don't be too sure of that:

Ryanair, Easyjet are making a killing in Europe with EUR 10/ticket prices, while BA and LH are on the defensive (AF/KLM still doing well). All the while flying to secondary/tertiary airports. This is coming to the US and all the crowded airports here will be avoided by them in favor of under-utilized ones around major cities. Trans-Atlantic they will go soon with EUR 10/ ticket prices OK maby EUR50, but it will come and get us eventually, thanks to our wonderful incompetent and clueless politicians who are squandering away the nation's profitable enterprises for the sake of political correctness.
 
Don't be too sure of that:

thanks to our wonderful incompetent and clueless politicians who are squandering away the nation's profitable enterprises for the sake of political correctness.

PCness is only the tip of the iceberg. I think it has to do with a consolidation of power in which both government and commerce benefit (especially those who are "controlling" the game). To borrow an old line, the politicians are peeing on us and telling us it is raining.
 
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times are ripe for the revolution of the proletarians....


or maybe not, we are pilots,we are proletarians and most don't know it. most of us ( not me) vote republican because "we all know" is more important to stop gay marriage and stop teaching evolution than to have a good paying job, have strong unions, universal healthcare and reducing the debt.:rolleyes: you get what you vote for.
 
Small countries are salivating for the opportunity to come into the US market. Flags of convenience (like tramp steam freighter) and cheap crews and marginal aircraft. The FAA can't even monitor US industry effectively, much less junk flying in from overseas. Good airlines from small EU countries can expand like crazy, way outside their proportional market share.

Just like they want to do with Immigration Reform, the Dems and Reps will say the the oversight will be tight, but we all know that's a laughable lie and the real story will be it becomes a virtually unregulated free-for-all.
 
times are ripe for the revolution of the proletarians....


or maybe not, we are pilots,we are proletarians and most don't know it. most of us ( not me) vote republican because "we all know" is more important to stop gay marriage and stop teaching evolution than to have a good paying job, have strong unions, universal healthcare and reducing the debt.:rolleyes: you get what you vote for.

Ahh yes, but Air Line Pilots think they are part of the social elitist of America. They support 10% ultra rich who have clevery convinced Air Line Pilots that they are one of them all while keeping the 10% exclusive of Air Line Pilots.
 
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/d...07&m=June&x=20070608184507JMnamdeirF0.3027918

08 June 2007
Plans for Open North American Aviation Market Inch Forward

Policy differences make reaching trilateral deal challenging
By Andrzej Zwaniecki
USINFO Staff Writer


Washington – Sometime over the next the decade – but likely not in 2007 or 2008 -- Air Canada could be competing with U.S. carriers on the New York-Paris route and Aeromexico might be launching flights between Los Angeles and Toronto.
This vision for an open North American aviation market inched a bit closer in April when the United States, Canada and Mexico announced a plan to work toward establishing a trilateral open skies agreement, according to U.S. officials.
“We have an opportunity to set a new global standard for free and open transborder air travel, and bring greater convenience and lower prices to shippers and travelers who want to reach places like Tucson, Toronto or Torreon,” U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary Peters said after meeting her counterparts from Canada and Mexico in Arizona where the announcement was made. (See full text.)
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The price of an average airline ticket has risen 45% since deregulation in 1979. Meanwhile, gas is up 400%, college tuition up 638%, housing on the coasts up 1000%

How low do they want ticket prices to go? Free? The fact is, this business is not sustainable with this kind of competition. No other business in the world suffers from the same destructive competition tactics, coupled with such huge operational expenses, as our business.

Think age-65 is a problem for us? Wait until open skies and cabatoge hits our profession. We're in for the roughest ride of your life when that happens. Get your financial house in order now.
 
I think it is pretty clear all of us ( proletarians) in the developed world need to start a new First International. It was quite effective.
 

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