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With earnings expected to go through the roof in the next 12 months along with a doubling of the stock price, the combined pilot groups are trying to hammer out an agreement that will allow them to share in a piece of the pie. America West Pilots agreement is up shortly, but the old US Airways pilots agreement is good till 2009. We'll see if Doug can keep everyone happy while keeping the airline pointed towards the top.

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[FONT=arial, helvetica]Sky's the Limit for US Air
[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]By Ted Reed
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The new US Airways Group (LCC:NYSE) is on a roll -- costs are declining, revenue is rising, shares are soaring and one analyst predicts the stock will double again by next year.

Now, the airline's pilots want to share in its success. The 2,700 pilots from the old US Airways gave up $2 billion in salary and pension contributions and "want a bite of the apple," says Jack Stephan, chairman of the US Airways chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association.

J.R. Baker, chairman of the 1,900-member America West branch of ALPA, says his colleagues want to be acknowledged, as well. "The America West pilots have made our share of sacrifices too, but our pilots never had an apple to bite," he says. "For a long time, the last 20 years, we've been at the bottom of the industry."

Pilots say their time is now, because the America West contract is up for renewal on June 30. Although the US Airways pilot contract doesn't open until 2009, a joint committee with two representatives from each pilot group is working to negotiate a merged contract. Face-to-face meetings have been taking place once or twice a month.

So far, it's been one long party since the September merger of the old US Airways, an ailing legacy carrier that was in its second bankruptcy, and Phoenix-based America West Airlines, a struggling low-cost carrier that averted its own 2002 bankruptcy filing only by getting a $380 million federal loan guarantee.

Private investors and vendors were dazzled by America West CEO Doug Parker, who now heads the combined airline. They poured $1.5 billion in new capital into the joint enterprise, and they've been well-rewarded for their bet. Shares in US Airways closed Wednesday at $47.80, up more than 5% for the day and more than double the $20.40 price at which the new company began trading last year.

The airline will report earnings on Tuesday. According to Thomson Financial, analysts expect a loss of 22 cents a share on revenue of $2.7 billion in the first quarter, but profits for the rest of the year.

In a recent research report, JP Morgan analyst Jamie Baker said that by mid-2007 the shares should double again, reaching a target price of $100. He forecast earnings of $5.15 a share in 2006, higher than the consensus estimate of $3.49, and a profit of $8.65 a share next year. The stock should trade between 10 and 14 times earnings, he says.

"No guarantees, but if US Airways can improve its earnings by roughly $12 per share in 2006, the idea of another $3.50 of improvement in 2007 [over his preliminary 2006 EPS estimate] hardly seems like a Herculean stretch," Baker wrote in his research report.

During the past 12 months, US Airways has been a JPMorgan client, and a JP Morgan affiliate has also received compensation from the airline.

Analyst Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities has a more conservative 2007 target price of $49, based on his earnings expectation of $4.71 a share next year. He expects EPS of $3.58 this year. However, Neidl wrote in a research report, "the management of America West, which is now running the combined America West/US Airways, has tended to beat expectations in being able to obtain revenue-premium increases."

Neither Neidl nor Calyon has a financial relationship with US Airways.

US Airways says the merger is producing around $600 million in annual cost savings, even without any benefit from a merged pilot group. The company says it wants a single contract, but doesn't need one to operate the carrier under the single Federal Aviation Administration operating certificate it's seeking by 2007.

"We can continue to operate with two separate pilot groups, even with a single certificate," said Executive Vice President Jeff McClelland on the airline's January conference call. He said that the two systems are complementary, and that "while we may have to operate under a couple of different [contracts] if we aren't fully finished, we do that today."

Baker says America West pilots reserve the right to negotiate a separate contract, but are currently looking for a joint pact, which would save the airline millions of dollars annually.

"It gets back to one of the basic issues with management: What are the intangibles worth?" he says. "What price do you put on the fact that people are working together in harmony going forward?"

Stephan says his group understands US Airways wants to be a low-cost carrier, "but that doesn't mean we have to be a low-paid carrier. This entity would not exist had not the pilots dug deep in their pockets, and now we expect that our sacrifices will be respected."
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The east side already has profit sharing in our contract. The AWA got retirement parity in the transition agreement, and I believe some pay parity where they were lower than the East side, but the East side didn't get it where they were lower then the West side.
Lemme guess they wanna staple the furloughed guys too?
 
Crzipilot said:
The east side already has profit sharing in our contract. The AWA got retirement parity in the transition agreement, and I believe some pay parity where they were lower than the East side, but the East side didn't get it where they were lower then the West side.

The West did not get retirement parity or pay parity where we were lower.
 
Jamie Baker forecasting earning at $5. or better for 2006, would put their profit at about $400M this year and $675M in 2007. This would be under WN's projected of $550M, but they would be in line with them in 2007. This is all without fuel hedging. These guys could be the next 800lb gorilla.

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Crzipilot said:
The east side already has profit sharing in our contract. The AWA got retirement parity in the transition agreement, and I believe some pay parity where they were lower than the East side, but the East side didn't get it where they were lower then the West side.
Lemme guess they wanna staple the furloughed guys too?

Hey CrZI

How would anything other than stapling of furloughs acheive:

c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of living.
d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.


Just curious
 
Oh leave him alone. He just likes feeling sorry for himself.......


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Ok, was wrong on the pay parity thing, It was retirement parity. In the transition agreement it states you guys got the bump up to 10% contribution into 401k or whatever. In addition you were included in the profit sharing plan which the east side negotiated as partial pay back for the pay cuts and such they gave up in 2nd BK.

As for the seniority arguements, whatever, it's a dead horse, you guys have your views, we have ours. We'll have to see how it turns out. Nothing either of us do has any sway, for the most part, Unless one of you happen to be on the Merger comm????
 
There was no "bump" to 10 percent matching on 401k. They automatically put in 7 percent and they matched 3 percent. Now they just put in 10 percent same thing. There is no holding of breath. The Furloughed US Air East pilots will be stapled. Its already been said! Deal with it. I say we staple all of the east pilots right on the bottom!!!!!
 
Crzipilot said:
Ok, was wrong on the pay parity thing, It was retirement parity. In the transition agreement it states you guys got the bump up to 10% contribution into 401k or whatever. In addition you were included in the profit sharing plan which the east side negotiated as partial pay back for the pay cuts and such they gave up in 2nd BK.

We did not get a bump. It was a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Our 3% 401K company match was added to the 7% defined benefit that we negotiated in Contract 2004.
 
abefly said:
There was no "bump" to 10 percent matching on 401k. They automatically put in 7 percent and they matched 3 percent. Now they just put in 10 percent same thing. There is no holding of breath. The Furloughed US Air East pilots will be stapled. Its already been said! Deal with it. I say we staple all of the east pilots right on the bottom!!!!!


Oh,really? The chances of the furloughed guys getting stapled is about as likely as the "east side boys" getting DOH. Why don't we all sit down, shut up and see what the arbitrator comes up with next year. Shheeesh ,what a bunch.....:rolleyes:


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Mach 80 said:
With the recent stock performance it's too bad you guys didn't get a good stock option plan.



That would have been nice,wouldn't it?

PHXFLYR:cool:
 
Interesting on the 10% contribution. So basically they already gave you 7%, and then matched 3% of what you contributed???

Now as it stands they automatically put in 10%. Where as most are prob. already contributing, if you weren't your now getting a min of 10%.
without doing the math, your getting a full 10% now.....not doing anything. And the 3% match, was defined as how?? They matched 3% of your contribution, so if you contributed 10% of your pay, they matched 3% of that 10%?

Do they still offer any match to your 401k??? Or did they take that away. I.E. you now get a 10% in your DB....and they still match 3% of whatever you contribute to the 401k?


Just curious, browsing through the AWA contract i didn't see any mention of the 3% match, Just the 7%, is the 3% in there somewhere? I only looked under sect. 28....
 
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Oh yeah, the east guys got some stock...think there is another distribution that just came out...think the strike price was 32.00 or something. Also if you have access look at our LOA 93 I think. It has the formula of the profit sharing which, with the transition agreement the West side pilots are included into... but again...what profit?
 
abefly said:
There was no "bump" to 10 percent matching on 401k. They automatically put in 7 percent and they matched 3 percent. Now they just put in 10 percent same thing. There is no holding of breath. The Furloughed US Air East pilots will be stapled. Its already been said! Deal with it. I say we staple all of the east pilots right on the bottom!!!!!
Grow up junior ! The arbitrator will decide where the furloughed pilots go.
 
Crzipilot said:
Interesting on the 10% contribution. So basically they already gave you 7%, and then matched 3% of what you contributed???

Now as it stands they automatically put in 10%. Where as most are prob. already contributing, if you weren't your now getting a min of 10%.
without doing the math, your getting a full 10% now.....not doing anything. And the 3% match, was defined as how?? They matched 3% of your contribution, so if you contributed 10% of your pay, they matched 3% of that 10%?

Do they still offer any match to your 401k??? Or did they take that away. I.E. you now get a 10% in your DB....and they still match 3% of whatever you contribute to the 401k?


Just curious, browsing through the AWA contract i didn't see any mention of the 3% match, Just the 7%, is the 3% in there somewhere? I only looked under sect. 28....


The 3% match is from Contact '95 and I don't know where to find it.

The 3% match was taken away from the 401K and added to the DB plan. It used to be 7% + 3% = 10%, now it's 10% + 0% = 10%.
 
5150 said:
Grow up junior ! The arbitrator will decide where the furloughed pilots go.

I don't have to wait for the arbitrator to decide where they will go! i know they will be on the bottom! There is no other way. Doug won't allow one furloughed pilot to be ahead of any active piots and the arbitrator works for doug and alpa. For any furloughed pilot to think they deserve a spot ahead of any pilot on the active list is just moronic. I dont want anything other than a fair and equitable integration, but if I keep hearing this doh s*** and furloughed pilots falling in on the list then im gonna say staple!!!!!!
 
Ask some of the old AWA pilots how they felt about having to buy stock as a condition of employment and you might find a differing opinion of the value of stock options.

If the pilots want to share in the profits, they'll have to give up something to get it, that's reality. Ultimately it comes down to the old, "Here's the pie, carve it up whatever way you want". The net won't increase because there isn't an airline management in the world that has the slightest respect for ALPA and ranks a strike threat right up there with an asteroid impact or decent Steve Martin movie. Never gonna happen (even though it would be the only way to regain any relevancy).
 
abefly said:
I don't have to wait for the arbitrator to decide where they will go! i know they will be on the bottom! There is no other way. Doug won't allow one furloughed pilot to be ahead of any active piots and the arbitrator works for doug and alpa. For any furloughed pilot to think they deserve a spot ahead of any pilot on the active list is just moronic. I dont want anything other than a fair and equitable integration, but if I keep hearing this doh s*** and furloughed pilots falling in on the list then im gonna say staple!!!!!!
You need a reality check Junior. It's not up to Doug or anyone else. Like i said before, the arbitrator will decide.
 
I'm not necesarrily defending "junior", but I get the impression many think the west side hires in the last few years are all snot nosed kids. A few are, but most are not. Many are older, and veterans of many years in the commercial aviation and military worlds. Many have gone through airline after airline, and been hosed over and over again. It is not just east side pilots who have suffered in this game, although some east side guys like to think so, at least the way I see it.
 
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Bringupthebird said:
ranks a strike threat right up there with an asteroid impact or decent Steve Martin movie. Never gonna happen

Didn't you ever see "Planes, Trains and Automobiles"?
 
How many of you America West guys had in applications to go to the real majors prior to 2001? Now times have changed, you think you are a great carrier that should staple USAir guys to the bottom?
The oldtimers (most of the senoirity list these days) at USAirways paid their dues. Not the junior America West group who worked for a crappy airline all these years and got to be affiliated with a real one.

Let me edit that I'm not talking about the guys at AWA that have been there for the long haul. I'm talking about all the others who were looking at something better than they settled for.
 
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WickedPissa said:
How many of you America West guys had in applications to go to the real majors prior to 2001? Now times have changed, you think you are a great carrier that should staple USAir guys to the bottom?
The oldtimers (most of the senoirity list these days) at USAirways paid their dues. Not the junior America West group who worked for a crappy airline all these years and got to be affiliated with a real one.

Let me edit that I'm not talking about the guys at AWA that have been there for the long haul. I'm talking about all the others who were looking at something better than they settled for.

What an A$$! What is a real major? Is it the old US Air that could not survive on its own? Everybody chooses an airline large or small based on all kinds of traits. Me, I choose AWA because it was a west coast carrier. Crappy? Maybe, but I did in the end choose to go there. Just like all the US guys choose to go to US. Did I get lucky? Or more appropriately COULD I be lucky if this deal works out? Yeah! You bet!

As far as the dues thing let's all just realize that "I paid my dues" is nothing more that a whinning-crying-temper-tantrum-because-somebody-else-made-a-better-decision-then-me tiff. If you were at SWA would you be crying about the dues you paid? No! Frankly I could not give a squirt of pi$$ for your dues. I'll pay mine somewhere along the way. And guess what, I have no intention of charging you for them...!;)

Have a great day!!!!
 

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