New UAL/CAL pass travel program announced

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Does anyone know how this affects furloughees? I wonder if we will maintian our date of hire seniority for boarding priority? I am a 2000 new hire. When I use my passes now as a furloughee I show a seniorty date of July 2000 and Priority 8A.

At CAL, they adjust your board date of hire to the # of active years of service. I.E. Hired 1-1-07 , Furloughed 1-1-08 , Recalled 1-1-2010, You would show 1-1-09 board date on 1-1-11. Not sure what will happen since both airlines do it differently.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Well, guess what? Not EVERY retired employee was a pilot pulling 6 figures when then banged out. Many were just regular airline workers making standard middle class wages. And spare me the argument "well, if they wanted to make the money they should have been pilots" B.S. That's not what it's about.

And take a second guess, they lost their retirement, as well as had their ESOP go down the drain as well. So the idea of "gummers buying tickets" simply isn't a feasible option for many. In some cases, it's simply NOT to travel at all due to the lack of a benefit they thought would be there when they retired, on an income they thought would be there when they left.

I'm NOT saying that the retirees should have gone to the top, just making the point that you think EVERY retired airline employee has the money to buy tickets whenever they may want to travel/visit family.

Never ceases to amaze me what selfish pricks pilots can be.

So explain to me where I mentioned 'the ramper or gate agent should pony up'? My post is in the MAJOR's section, not the dispatcher's section or anywhere else. So, it appears you're just putting words in my mouth and generalizing where I didn't. So who's the prick? I'm talking about retired UAL and CAL pilots and their families. Most realize non-revving is pathetic and not worth the stress. I just buy tickets. The most expensive one was 235 bucks to the islands. If you can't buy that after 25 years as a major airline pilot, regardless of retirement, I'm not the problem. Your financial well being is yours. I'm tired of being blamed for my hard work and sacrifice to 'spread' the wealth to other employees that feel their entitiled to my benefits or entitled to my pay without working for it. Should the lav dumper enjoy travel benefits that I enjoy? Please. That's the problem with this country. Peace love and happiness......seems to trickle one way.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Well said.

Ya, perfect.

 

[dojetdriver]

I'm tired of being blamed for my hard work and sacrifice to 'spread' the wealth to other employees that feel their entitiled to my benefits or entitled to my pay without working for it. Should the lav dumper enjoy travel benefits that I enjoy? Please. That's the problem with this country. Peace love and happiness......seems to trickle one way.

Hmmm, interesting. So the other than pilot airline employees SHOULDN'T have a travel benefit what so ever? I'm NOT putting words in your mouth, YOU just typed it out above. Seems as if you'd like to divide up the travel benefits into a social class system.

So who's the prick?

Based on what you typed? You are.

Your financial well being is yours.

Indeed, it is. I ALSO hope you're telling that to EVERY over 60/gummer/high 5/ND you fly with that says he "needs the money". Too bad if they were too stupid to save, if banked on their define benefit fund, had too many wives, couldn't keep their dIck in their pants, bought too many houses, whatever.

 

[Flopgut]

Well, guess what? Not EVERY retired employee was a pilot pulling 6 figures when then banged out. Many were just regular airline workers making standard middle class wages. And spare me the argument "well, if they wanted to make the money they should have been pilots" B.S. That's not what it's about.

And take a second guess, they lost their retirement, as well as had their ESOP go down the drain as well. So the idea of "gummers buying tickets" simply isn't a feasible option for many. In some cases, it's simply NOT to travel at all due to the lack of a benefit they thought would be there when they retired, on an income they thought would be there when they left.

I'm NOT saying that the retirees should have gone to the top, just making the point that you think EVERY retired airline employee has the money to buy tickets whenever they may want to travel/visit family.

Never ceases to amaze me what selfish pricks pilots can be.

That's a really crappy post. And it's a lot more indicative of the entitlement mentality and the hostility that exists among older workers than "what pricks pilots can be".

Buy a ticket every once in a while people. Go through the whole process of shopping, selecting, paying for and riding on a fare. How can you expect any customer to do it when as an employee you think it's so tragic?!

The older workers in this business have had it too good for too long. This business is not a cradle to grave endeavor, but that's what the oldsters want. So the old guy lost a few million dollars. So?! We've ALL lost a few million dollars. The old guy's money isn't any more special than anybody else's. Ageism, seniority aggression have gone too far and have to stop. If someone is senior to someone then that's all that needs to be stated. We've got way too many Dan Roman types who want to spout off about "20 years" this, or "25 years" that and the other guy's only got one year. Get over the whole I've been around here forever and I better feel special attitude.

I swear, it's as though being senior for some guys [Roman] is not enough. The junior guys have to be suffering for them to be happy.

We get 20% off ticket prices guys. Just buy em and let the dregs like Roman duke it out with their "years"....

 

[Andy]

At CAL, they adjust your board date of hire to the # of active years of service. I.E. Hired 1-1-07 , Furloughed 1-1-08 , Recalled 1-1-2010, You would show 1-1-09 board date on 1-1-11. Not sure what will happen since both airlines do it differently.

Furloughees get screwed again. Here's what it says: Co-workers will board by actual years of company service within their boarding priority level.

No surprise there.

 

[clr4theapch]

Flopgut,

Your point is well taken.. I'm reminded every day by my own 25 and 27 year old sons about the "me" generation of today.. instant gratification, got to have it now syndrome.. you have not yet traveled the road these retired guys have.. I have not either, but I suspect I am closer to that road than you are..

You should ask yourself, how you might feel about this if you were them... They don't have any ability to change what they were supposed to get, "earned" when they were active pilots and when those planned on benefits change they rightfully get upset... Their years on this planet are much more numbered than yours..

On the other hand your active and have your whole career in front of you and have choices that can still affect your retirement.. So you are working now based on things you will "expect" to receive when you retire... So you see life runs full circle... and your day will come when your not happy about the things you were promised but have little control over...

 

[Flopgut]

I was 17 and the oldest of 4 kids when my Dad lost his airline pension. Actually, he lost his job [income], our health insurance, and his fully-funded pension on the same afternoon. I can still remember the day; There has always been a before and after. Additionally, I'm pretty senior. I've flown captain and FO at my airline and I'm well acquainted with both halves of the list. I'm sick of hearing the older workers complain about losing their pension. I lost mine too! But workers have lost pensions before, I know, because it happened in my house! I can remember when it did, and not one of these soon to be retired types gave a rat's ass. Nor did they bother to cover themselves in case it happened to them. Look, we changed a 40 year old rule so these guys could get some relief. But enough is enough! It's almost over for them and they need to go quietly and be happy with what they got.

As I said, I've flown with the new guys as captain. They have endured enough. Even with the loss of pensions the old guys have had they are still going to have made more money than the junior guys. We literally changed retirement age so old guys can maintain a pretty lavish lifestye while the junior workers and their spouses and kids are going without some basics. It's sickening.

 

[clr4theapch]

nough said.. life goes on..

 

[eaglesview]

nough said.. life goes on..

Thank you. Policy is writtten. It's better than what we had before. It's not perfect, move on.