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Good for safety, bad for our paychecks I've heard.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...id=msnmoney&industry=IND_TRANSPORTATION&isub=

Regulations designed to reduce fatigue among airline pilots will be announced tomorrow at 10 a.m. in Washington, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement. The agency last year proposed to give pilots more rest between shifts and reduce the maximum hours they could work each day. The proposed rule would have given airlines more latitude to assign pilots additional flight time, as many as 10 hours instead of the current eight-hour limit.
The proposal has been under review by the White House Office of Management and Budget. Cargo airlines have argued their pilots should be exempt and pilot unions have supported the rule, according to filings in the government docket.
The rule will be the first change in the 1940s-era regulations since they were amended in 1985.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...id=msnmoney&industry=IND_TRANSPORTATION&isub=
 
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10 a.m. PILOT FATIGUE RULE — Transportation Secretaryt Ray LaHood and Federal Aviation Administration Acting Administrator Michael Huerta will hold a press conference to release the final pilot fatigue rule. Following the press conference, there will be a pen and pad background briefing with FAA technical experts to answer questions about the details of the new regulation.
Location: U.S. Department of Transportation, The Marx Media Center, 1200 New Jersey Ave. SE.
 
GOD please don't let them have gutted the cargo rest rules... We so need a one level of safety mindset in regulation, it's long over due.
 
The airlines will win and we will get screwed, I saw this coming. We will be better rested by flying more hours in a duty period, that makes perfect sense. If there is any improved rest period language it will be based on a "scheduled" plan but allow for exceptions under actual conditions i.e. reduced rest provisions so when you need the rest the most you won't get it. Back in the day when unions still had some negotiating leverage this was less of an issue because CBA's did what the FAR's didn't. Now many airlines schedule to the FAR's.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we are going to be happy with what we see, it's going to be designed with the economic interests of the airlines in mind first and safety a distant second because corporations have the power in Washington and employees/unions don't.
 
HAHHAHA

" The FAA will allow cargo airlines to fly under either the old or new rules."

I cant wait for Ron Paul to win and gut this useless Federal Government...
 
HAHHAHA

" The FAA will allow cargo airlines to fly under either the old or new rules."

I cant wait for Ron Paul to win and gut this useless Federal Government...

exactly! ******************** it! I mean if it can't Regulate properly then it shouldn't regulate at all.... Government for the highest bidder! That is what we have here ladies and gentleman in the USA!
 
I cant wait for Ron Paul to win and gut this useless Federal Government...
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. You're pissed off about watered down regulations, so you want to elect a guy who believes in no regulations.

Great logic there, bud.
 
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. You're pissed off about watered down regulations, so you want to elect a guy who believes in no regulations.

Great logic there, bud.

I said that last part just to piss off morons like you.
 
When we see our new rules, we'll see how well the Airlines did paying off the lawmakers.
Just like the previous poster stated Scheduled rest may increase from 8-9 hours but, actual flight and duty periods will increase. I'm willing to bet that regional airline managers are excited about the new way to get extra productivity out of us and slim down the pilot ranks a little more. I'm sure this will be the catalyst for more "right sizing", "reduction in soft time", and my personal favorite, "It doesn't matter how we got here" excuses to take a little more of our future away.
I know it sounds cynical, but if its the truth, we as a profession will go the way of the buggy whip.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
 
That WSJ link requires a subscription... can anyone summarize what it says (or post the whole article)

I was under the impression the new regs were gonna be watered down a whole lot....
 
Wow, they edited the article and took out all the info about the carve out. Why could that be?

Is WSJ overriding the author to protect a source inside? or was the info wrong (maybe a bit hopeful on behalf of wsj?)

That's odd.... we'll have to wait and see what they "officially" say
 
BUSINESSDECEMBER 20, 2011, 9:55 P.M. ET
FAA Set to Release Pilot-Fatigue Rules
By ANDY PASZTOR

Federal air-safety regulators on Wednesday are set to issue new regulations overhauling decades-old fatigue rules for commercial pilots, but the tighter work-hour limits won't be mandatory for airlines that only transport cargo, according to people familiar with the plan.

After more than two years of controversy and repeated industry complaints to lawmakers and White House officials about the cost of changing the rules, the Federal Aviation Administration is slated to release a package of new regulations to combat fatigue in the cockpit.

The regulations establish scientifically based limits on how many hours each day crews can sit behind an airplane's controls, and how long they can be on the clock. In making new rules, the FAA sought to guarantee that pilots take at least nine hours of rest between shifts, instead of the eight now mandated. It also wanted to reduce workdays for pilots, especially those flying relatively short trips for commuter carriers, if their shifts included multiple takeoffs and landings late at night or early in the morning.

Officials at the FAA and the Department of Transportation and White House have declined to comment on specifics, and trade associations representing passenger and cargo airlines on Tuesday said they hadn't been informed about any details. Officials at pilot unions said they are waiting for the announcement before commenting.

The release of the new regulations marks an end to a long fight by cargo carriers large and small that were vehemently opposed to the changes on the grounds that the costs to comply with the rules would be excessive. The FAA will allow cargo airlines to fly under either the old or new rules.

However, charter operators that carry passengers along with airlines that fly troops for the Pentagon—industry segments that also complained loudly about compliance costs—would be required to comply, these people said.

Passenger carriers also objected to major parts of the proposed regulations, which the FAA issued in the fall of 2010. The proposed restrictions initially applied equally to various types of carriers. Focused on changes long debated among unions, regulators and industry groups, the agency said at the time that it sought to rely on new scientific understanding of the causes of fatigue to create safer, more-flexible flight schedules tailored to different types of operations.

The final rule is expected to leave most of those details unchanged, according to people familiar with the deliberations. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and Michael Huerta, the acting FAA chief, have scheduled a Wednesday news briefing to announce the package.

Representatives of cargo and charter carriers argued that because of unique schedules and shifting routes, they would have to hire many more pilots and face inordinate increases in operating costs under the FAA's 2010 proposal. In the face of such complaints, officials at the White House Office of Management and Budget met with industry and pilot representatives and ordered a rewrite of the initial document.

FAA officials have argued that revamping 1960s-era cockpit-fatigue rules is essential in order to combat the dangers posed by sleepy, overworked pilots. The February 2009 crash of a Colgan Air turboprop near Buffalo, N.Y., which killed 50 people, sparked a public and congressional outcry over the issue of drowsy pilots.

FAA leaders tried to fend off less-stringent provisions for cargo carriers by proposing to give them extra time to comply with the rule. The officials also proposed that under certain circumstances, pilots of planes ferrying U.S. troops or military cargo automatically would be exempt from the federal fatigue-prevention mandates.

But high-ranking White House and FAA officials concluded that all commercial pilots transporting passengers, military or otherwise, should abide by the same flight-time and work-hour limits.

The decision will likely rile pilot unions, which have pushed hard for uniform fatigue rules across all parts of the industry.

Yet other major elements of the proposal are expected to give the unions something they have sought for many years: maximum 13-hour pilot workdays under normal circumstances, and in many cases as much as 25% longer blocks of time away from work. Airlines also will be given added flexibility to develop their own plans for reducing fatigue risks.

Write to Andy Pasztor at [email protected]
 
BUSINESSDECEMBER 20, 2011, 9:55 P.M. ET
FAA Set to Release Pilot-Fatigue Rules
By ANDY PASZTOR

Federal air-safety regulators on Wednesday are set to issue new regulations overhauling decades-old fatigue rules for commercial pilots, but the tighter work-hour limits won't be mandatory for airlines that only transport cargo, according to people familiar with the plan.

After more than two years of controversy and repeated industry complaints to lawmakers and White House officials about the cost of changing the rules, the Federal Aviation Administration is slated to release a package of new regulations to combat fatigue in the cockpit.

The regulations establish scientifically based limits on how many hours each day crews can sit behind an airplane's controls, and how long they can be on the clock. In making new rules, the FAA sought to guarantee that pilots take at least nine hours of rest between shifts, instead of the eight now mandated. It also wanted to reduce workdays for pilots, especially those flying relatively short trips for commuter carriers, if their shifts included multiple takeoffs and landings late at night or early in the morning.

Officials at the FAA and the Department of Transportation and White House have declined to comment on specifics, and trade associations representing passenger and cargo airlines on Tuesday said they hadn't been informed about any details. Officials at pilot unions said they are waiting for the announcement before commenting.

The release of the new regulations marks an end to a long fight by cargo carriers large and small that were vehemently opposed to the changes on the grounds that the costs to comply with the rules would be excessive. The FAA will allow cargo airlines to fly under either the old or new rules.

However, charter operators that carry passengers along with airlines that fly troops for the Pentagon—industry segments that also complained loudly about compliance costs—would be required to comply, these people said.

Passenger carriers also objected to major parts of the proposed regulations, which the FAA issued in the fall of 2010. The proposed restrictions initially applied equally to various types of carriers. Focused on changes long debated among unions, regulators and industry groups, the agency said at the time that it sought to rely on new scientific understanding of the causes of fatigue to create safer, more-flexible flight schedules tailored to different types of operations.

The final rule is expected to leave most of those details unchanged, according to people familiar with the deliberations. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and Michael Huerta, the acting FAA chief, have scheduled a Wednesday news briefing to announce the package.

Representatives of cargo and charter carriers argued that because of unique schedules and shifting routes, they would have to hire many more pilots and face inordinate increases in operating costs under the FAA's 2010 proposal. In the face of such complaints, officials at the White House Office of Management and Budget met with industry and pilot representatives and ordered a rewrite of the initial document.

FAA officials have argued that revamping 1960s-era cockpit-fatigue rules is essential in order to combat the dangers posed by sleepy, overworked pilots. The February 2009 crash of a Colgan Air turboprop near Buffalo, N.Y., which killed 50 people, sparked a public and congressional outcry over the issue of drowsy pilots.

FAA leaders tried to fend off less-stringent provisions for cargo carriers by proposing to give them extra time to comply with the rule. The officials also proposed that under certain circumstances, pilots of planes ferrying U.S. troops or military cargo automatically would be exempt from the federal fatigue-prevention mandates.

But high-ranking White House and FAA officials concluded that all commercial pilots transporting passengers, military or otherwise, should abide by the same flight-time and work-hour limits.

The decision will likely rile pilot unions, which have pushed hard for uniform fatigue rules across all parts of the industry.

Yet other major elements of the proposal are expected to give the unions something they have sought for many years: maximum 13-hour pilot workdays under normal circumstances, and in many cases as much as 25% longer blocks of time away from work. Airlines also will be given added flexibility to develop their own plans for reducing fatigue risks.

Write to Andy Pasztor at [email protected]


tjhat is the original article, however it is now gone and there is a different one in it's place.
 

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