New rest rules out tomorrow! link

[HA25]

It will mean much less productive trips at the regional level due to stage lengths....I call it a step backwards too, but for different reasons than you...The only good news is that it won't take effect for another 2 years.

here's an idea.... why not get paid more per hour? or do you not think you're worth it?

This will (if it works right and isn't' undermined by loopholes) allow for a shift in the supply/demand curve for pilot labor... you can either tuck tail and reconcile yourself to less pay and longer days, or use the opportunity to get paid more and work less... unless you feel like you're not working too much for your wage, in which case I can't convince you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

here's an idea.... why not get paid more per hour? or do you not think you're worth it?

What was the top pay at Skybus when you were there?

 

[HA25]

What was the top pay at Skybus when you were there?

our pay was not like most airline's, it was more southwest's "Trip" pay... we had most captains making 90-100, and most foe's 35-40.. on a 4 on 4 off schedule, with no overnights.. all out and backs. The major perk most of us looked forward to however was the 6000 stock options which could have been valued at quite a lot if we grew even 1/2 as fast as B6.

T here was no 2nd year pay scale, however we had the teamsters on the property by about the time they closed the doors and were cooking up our demands list which included 12 year pay scale to rival all but NWA's Airbus rates at the time. The vast majority of our guys were veterans of other carriers and not kids with SJS and I think that was one of the reasons management finally shut us down.

 

[JoeMerchant]

our pay was not like most airline's, it was more southwest's "Trip" pay... we had most captains making 90-100, and most foe's 35-40.. on a 4 on 4 off schedule, with no overnights..

So let me get this straight...I make more and have a better schedule flying a little 50 seat jet than Skybus A320 capts. yet you are telling me:

"here's an idea.... why not get paid more per hour? or do you not think you're worth it?"

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. We are worth what the market can bare, and it doesn't help when people fly A320s for less than I fly a 50 seat jet...These new rest rules are going to make for a worse schedule for many and aren't going to improve safety....

You guys didn't have SJS...you had BSJS which is worse..."Big Shiny Jet Syndrome"....

 

[HA25]

So let me get this straight...I make more and have a better schedule flying a little 50 seat jet than Skybus A320 capts. yet you are telling me:

You're a 1st year captain at your commuter airline? OR did you miss the part about Skybus being a startup? Know many start ups that pay 12 year scale at year one? if so, share with me so I can apply.. /sigh.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. We are worth what the market can bare, and it doesn't help when people fly A320s for less than I fly a 50 seat jet...These new rest rules are going to make for a worse schedule for many and aren't going to improve safety....

You guys didn't have SJS...you had BSJS which is worse..."Big Shiny Jet Syndrome"....

No, most of us were furloughed from major airlines that weren't hiring because you were growing that 50 seat fleet faster than any Dog can hunt! Many of us were retired Delta that left early because they feared they'd lose their pension... We had top seniority guys from Ryan, Atlas and other ACMI's who were sick of living out of a suit case for 18 days... The vast majority of us would have been employed at the mainline had it not been for the enormous growth of the "Regionals"..

wake up Joe! it's not all black and white.