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FAA issues rules to prevent tired airline pilots

By JOAN LOWY
The Associated Press

10:11 a.m. Wednesday, December 21, 2011
WASHINGTON — Rules aimed at preventing airline pilots from flying while dangerously fatigued were issued Wednesday by the Federal Aviation Administration, a move safety advocates have been urging for more than two decades.

The rules update current pilot work schedule regulations, which largely date back to the 1960s, to reflect studies on how much time pilots need for rest and an understanding of how travel through time zones and the human body clock's response to light and darkness can affect performance.

Carriers have two years to adapt to the new rules. The FAA estimated the cost to industry at $297 million over 10 years, a fraction of the $2 billion a year that an airline trade association had estimated a draft proposal released by FAA over a year ago would cost.

The new rules come nearly three years after the deadly crash of a regional airliner flown by two exhausted pilots. Family members of the 50 people killed in the accident near Buffalo, N.Y., have lobbied relentlessly for more stringent regulations.

The rules would limit the maximum number of hours a pilot can be scheduled to be on duty — including wait time before flights and administrative duties — to between nine and 14 hours. The total depends upon the time of day pilots begin their first flight and the number of time zones crossed.

The maximum amount of time pilots can be scheduled to fly is limited to eight or nine hours, and pilots would get a minimum of 10 hours to rest between duty periods, a two-hour increase over the old rules. Pilots flying overnight would be allowed fewer hours than pilots flying during the day.

But cargo carriers — who do much of their flying overnight when people naturally crave sleep — are exempted from the new rules. The FAA said forcing cargo carriers to reduce the number of hours their pilots can fly would be too costly compared to the safety benefits.

Imposing the rules on cargo airlines like Federal Express or United Parcel Service would have added another $214 million to the cost, FAA officials said.

The exemption for cargo carriers runs counter to the FAA's goal of "one level of safety" across the aviation industry. It's also certain to provoke complaints from pilot unions, who point out that cargo pilots suffer from fatigue the same as pilots for passenger-carrying airlines. And, while cargo planes aren't carrying passengers, the risk to the public on the ground from an air crash is just as great.

The charter airlines that transport nearly 90 percent of U.S. troops around the world had also lobbied heavily for an exemption to the new rules, saying military missions could be jeopardized. But FAA officials rejected those pleas.

The new rules give "pilots enough time to get the rest they really need to safely get passengers to their destinations," FAA Acting Administrator Michael Huerta said.

The rules will prevent about one and a half accidents a year and an average of six deaths a year, FAA officials said. They will also improve pilots' health, officials said.

Researchers say fatigue, much like alcohol, can impair a pilot's performance by slowing reflexes and eroding judgment. The National Transportation Safety Board has been campaigning for two decades for an overhaul of pilot work schedule rules. An effort by the FAA in the late 1990s to develop new rules stalled when pilot unions and airlines were unable to find common ground.

That effort was revived after the February 2009 crash Continental Connection Flight 3407 near Buffalo. Neither pilot appeared to have slept in a bed the previous night. The flight's captain had logged onto a computer in the middle of the night from an airport crew lounge where sleeping was discouraged. The first officer had commuted overnight from Seattle to Newark, N.J., much of the time sitting in a cockpit jumpseat. They could be heard yawning on the ill-fated flight's cockpit voice recorder.

However, by a 2-1 vote the NTSB decided not to cite fatigue as a contributing factor to the crash. The board agreed that the captain's incorrect responses to a stall warning caused the accident, and that other pilot errors contributed to the crash. But investigators said it wasn't possible to determine whether those errors were the result of fatigue.

But Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and former FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt vowed to put strong fatigue rules in place.

"We made a promise to the traveling public that we would do everything possible to make sure pilots are rested when they get in the cockpit. This new rule raises the safety bar to prevent fatigue," LaHood said in a statement.

The families of victims killed in the crash won congressional passage of a law requiring the FAA to issue new rules by Aug. 1 of this year, but the White House Office of Management and Budget delayed release of the rules.

Safety advocates applauded the new rules.

The changes replace "rules that were dangerously obsolete and completely ineffective," said Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va. "The rule applies fatigue science in a way that makes sense."

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Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov/

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December 21, 2011 10:11 AM EST

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Prepare for more time away from home, and more unproductive trips...
 
Look at the HUGE loophole they put in at the bottom .... HUGE loophole (in bold)..

--------------------- Government bought and paid for by the ATA -------------------------

For Immediate Release
December 21, 2011
Contact: Brie N.Sachse or Alison Duquette
Phone: (202) 267-3883
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Acting Administrator Michael Huerta today announced a sweeping final rule that overhauls commercial passenger airline pilot scheduling to ensure pilots have a longer opportunity for rest before they enter the cockpit.
“This is a major safety achievement,” said Secretary LaHood. “We made a promise to the traveling public that we would do everything possible to make sure pilots are rested when they get in the cockpit. This new rule raises the safety bar to prevent fatigue.”
“Every pilot has a personal responsibility to arrive at work fit for duty. This new rule gives pilots enough time to get the rest they really need to safely get passengers to their destinations,” said FAA Acting Administrator Huerta.
The Department of Transportation identified the issue of pilot fatigue as a top priority during a 2009 airline Safety Call to Action following the crash of Colgan Air flight 3407. The FAA launched an aggressive effort to take advantage of the latest research on fatigue to create a new pilot flight, duty and rest proposal, which the agency issued on September 10, 2010.
Key components of this final rule for commercial passenger flights include:
Varying flight and duty requirements based on what time the pilot’s day begins. The new rule incorporates the latest fatigue science to set different requirements for pilot flight time, duty period and rest based on the time of day pilots begin their first flight, the number of scheduled flight segments and the number of time zones they cross. The previous rules included different rest requirements for domestic, international and unscheduled flights. Those differences were not necessarily consistent across different types of passenger flights, and did not take into account factors such as start time and time zone crossings.
Flight duty period. The allowable length of a flight duty period depends on when the pilot’s day begins and the number of flight segments he or she is expected to fly, and ranges from 9-14 hours for single crew operations. The flight duty period begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty, with the intention of conducting a flight and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight. It includes the period of time before a flight or between flights that a pilot is working without an intervening rest period. Flight duty includes deadhead transportation, training in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport standby or reserve duty if these tasks occur before a flight or between flights without an intervening required rest period.
Flight time limits of eight or nine hours. The FAA limits flight time – when the plane is moving under its own power before, during or after flight – to eight or nine hours depending on the start time of the pilot’s entire flight duty period.
10-hour minimum rest period.The rule sets a 10-hour minimum rest period prior to the flight duty period, a two-hour increase over the old rules. The new rule also mandates that a pilot must have an opportunity for eight hours of uninterrupted sleep within the 10-hour rest period.
New cumulative flight duty and flight time limits.The new rule addresses potential cumulative fatigue by placing weekly and 28-day limits on the amount of time a pilot may be assigned any type of flight duty. The rule also places 28-day and annual limits on actual flight time. It also requires that pilots have at least 30 consecutive hours free from duty on a weekly basis, a 25 percent increase over the old rules.
Fitness for duty. The FAA expects pilots and airlines to take joint responsibility when considering if a pilot is fit for duty, including fatigue resulting from pre-duty activities such as commuting. At the beginning of each flight segment, a pilot is required to affirmatively state his or her fitness for duty. If a pilot reports he or she is fatigued and unfit for duty, the airline must remove that pilot from duty immediately.

Fatigue Risk Management System. An airline may develop an alternative way of mitigating fatigue based on science and using data that must be validated by the FAA and continuously monitored.
In 2010, Congress mandated a Fatigue Risk Management Plan (FRMP) for all airlines and they have developed these plans based on FAA guidance materials. An FRMP provides education for pilots and airlines to help address the effects of fatigue which can be caused by overwork, commuting, or other activities. Airlines will be required to train pilots about the potential effects of commuting.
Required training updates every two years will include fatigue mitigation measures, sleep fundamentals and the impact to a pilot’s performance. The training will also address how fatigue is influenced by lifestyle – including nutrition, exercise, and family life – as well as by sleep disorders and the impact of commuting.
The estimated cost of this rule to the aviation industry is $297 million but the benefits are estimated between $247- $470 million. Covering cargo operators under the new rule would be too costly compared to the benefits generated in this portion of the industry. Some cargo airlines already have improved rest facilities for pilots to use while cargo is loaded and unloaded during night time operations. The FAA encourages cargo operators to opt into the new rule voluntarily, which would require them to comply with all of its provisions.
The final rule has been sent to the Federal Register for display and publication. It is currently available at:http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/2120-AJ58-FinalRule.pdf, and will take effect in two years to allow commercial passenger airline operators time to transition.
A fact sheet with additional information is at http://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/.
 
Prepare for more time away from home, and more unproductive trips...

I doubt it... this may have been the case if the cargo rules weren't gutted out but most of what's in here is at or below most CBA's and the huge loophole they stuck in it will mitigate that anyway....

I call this a step backwards..
 
I doubt it... this may have been the case if the cargo rules weren't gutted out but most of what's in here is at or below most CBA's and the huge loophole they stuck in it will mitigate that anyway....

I call this a step backwards..

It will mean much less productive trips at the regional level due to stage lengths....I call it a step backwards too, but for different reasons than you...The only good news is that it won't take effect for another 2 years.
 
It will mean much less productive trips at the regional level due to stage lengths....I call it a step backwards too, but for different reasons than you...The only good news is that it won't take effect for another 2 years.

here's an idea.... why not get paid more per hour? or do you not think you're worth it?

This will (if it works right and isn't' undermined by loopholes) allow for a shift in the supply/demand curve for pilot labor... you can either tuck tail and reconcile yourself to less pay and longer days, or use the opportunity to get paid more and work less... unless you feel like you're not working too much for your wage, in which case I can't convince you.
 
What was the top pay at Skybus when you were there?

our pay was not like most airline's, it was more southwest's "Trip" pay... we had most captains making 90-100, and most foe's 35-40.. on a 4 on 4 off schedule, with no overnights.. all out and backs. The major perk most of us looked forward to however was the 6000 stock options which could have been valued at quite a lot if we grew even 1/2 as fast as B6.

T here was no 2nd year pay scale, however we had the teamsters on the property by about the time they closed the doors and were cooking up our demands list which included 12 year pay scale to rival all but NWA's Airbus rates at the time. The vast majority of our guys were veterans of other carriers and not kids with SJS and I think that was one of the reasons management finally shut us down.
 
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our pay was not like most airline's, it was more southwest's "Trip" pay... we had most captains making 90-100, and most foe's 35-40.. on a 4 on 4 off schedule, with no overnights..

So let me get this straight...I make more and have a better schedule flying a little 50 seat jet than Skybus A320 capts. yet you are telling me:

"here's an idea.... why not get paid more per hour? or do you not think you're worth it?"

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. We are worth what the market can bare, and it doesn't help when people fly A320s for less than I fly a 50 seat jet...These new rest rules are going to make for a worse schedule for many and aren't going to improve safety....

You guys didn't have SJS...you had BSJS which is worse..."Big Shiny Jet Syndrome"....
 
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So let me get this straight...I make more and have a better schedule flying a little 50 seat jet than Skybus A320 capts. yet you are telling me:

You're a 1st year captain at your commuter airline? OR did you miss the part about Skybus being a startup? Know many start ups that pay 12 year scale at year one? if so, share with me so I can apply.. /sigh.

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. We are worth what the market can bare, and it doesn't help when people fly A320s for less than I fly a 50 seat jet...These new rest rules are going to make for a worse schedule for many and aren't going to improve safety....

You guys didn't have SJS...you had BSJS which is worse..."Big Shiny Jet Syndrome"....

No, most of us were furloughed from major airlines that weren't hiring because you were growing that 50 seat fleet faster than any Dog can hunt! Many of us were retired Delta that left early because they feared they'd lose their pension... We had top seniority guys from Ryan, Atlas and other ACMI's who were sick of living out of a suit case for 18 days... The vast majority of us would have been employed at the mainline had it not been for the enormous growth of the "Regionals"..

wake up Joe! it's not all black and white.
 

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