New NJ Local?

[ultrarunner]

Why the heck to you folks have such a big hard-on for Teamsters?? Why the heck in this day and age, would you NOT form your own internal union?

Look at the couple of airlines that have them.

If I were at FLOPS, I'd take my chances with management rather than Teamsters. Good grief.

 

[netjetwife]

Ultrarunner, look at the size of those airline unions and also the infrastructure costs associated with running such an organization. NJ pilots have no great love for the Teamsters; many negative comments can be heard about them, in fact. Forming their own local is viewed as the best situation right now. The supportive, positive statements coming from the NJ group, in reference to a union, apply to the pilots themselves and their leadership (soon to be recognized officially as the new MEC) for, as they have learned, THEY are the union. THAT is where their confidence is placed. NJW--1 of many

 

[ultrarunner]

If they have the commitment and knowlege level to form their own MEC, then they should easily be able to de-certify the IBT, and form their own NJPA.

Then, and only then, will they be in control of their own destiny. IMO.

 

[netjetwife]

It isn't a matter only of commitment and knowledge--there is no shortage of those requirements. As with so many things, it also comes down to money. Do you really think that the Teamsters would just hand over all that money (dues) and wish them luck if they were looking to decertify? The leadership of the group does believe that they will be in charge of their fate AND FUNDS when they get their own local. They must also prepare for, and win, a good/fair contract. It appears that the IBT is paying attention to what the NJ pilots want and are willing to accomodate, rather than lose, them. That degree of autonomy will allow them them to focus on the negotiations. There is widespread support for that strategy; I'm not sure there would be for a complete break, at this time.

 

[bravodude]

diesel interesting comment since you had this to say on another post
"Our company not our union won't even pay us past 14hrs because they don't want to entice pilots to keep flying to earn extra bling bling"

 

[Frac Daddy]

Why the heck to you folks have such a big hard-on for Teamsters?? Why the heck in this day and age, would you NOT form your own internal union?

Look at the couple of airlines that have them.

If I were at FLOPS, I'd take my chances with management rather than Teamsters. Good grief.

Some of us have been there, done that, and got the tee-shirt. And they are now working elsewhere because they got the boot. You see, during the organizing phase of an internal union, you got to do things yourself and this increases the chance of you getting discovered. (And a swift kick in the a$$ shortly thereafter.)

By organizing with large national union's backing, you can have them send out cards, letters, etc. and you can remain anonymous.(And keep your job).

 

[dime line]

ultra runner..........If I were at FLOPS, I'd take my chances with management rather than Teamsters. Good grief

I, and all 930 pilots here, just took a pay cut from management. (oh and i didn't even get to vote for the paycut) So what can you say to that!

 

[netjetwife]

I'd say something is better than nothing---and I'm talking UNION, not money.

ASAP ASSOCIATION of SHARED AIRCRAFT PILOTS makes sense to me. we've all heard that there's safety and strength in numbers.

Question: If all of the "shared aircraft" pilots belonged to the same union/local, what would their number (of members) be?

Happy holidays,
Netjetwife