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Pervis

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I flew a guy a few years ago who asked about this jet and the cost. I told him 2012ish and about 100 million each, and he didn't bat an eye. He did say he'll buy one.

Lots depend on the Fed relaxing supersonic rules before anyone will drop a lot into R&D. If it's viable, I don't doubt NJ will be one of the biggest customers. That said, after the Hawker 400XP and 4000 issues, there will be proof in performance and reliability before we commit.
 

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I flew a guy a few years ago who asked about this jet and the cost. I told him 2012ish and about 100 million each, and he didn't bat an eye. He did say he'll buy one.

Lots depend on the Fed relaxing supersonic rules before anyone will drop a lot into R&D. If it's viable, I don't doubt NJ will be one of the biggest customers. That said, after the Hawker 400XP and 4000 issues, there will be proof in performance and reliability before we commit.
you said it...biggest problem for domestic use is supersonic rules.
 

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you said it...biggest problem for domestic use is supersonic rules.
How many people use a G550 for domestic use versus international? The concorde was very popular, even after the crash.
 

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How many people use a G550 for domestic use versus international? The concorde was very popular, even after the crash.
Probably a lot more than you think.

The concorde was very popular, but if I am buying a new jet I would want to use it wherever I wanted to go....Chicago or Moscow it should make no difference.

I admit this airplane has a nitche with Trans-atlantic hops in under 3 hours.....but what about when I want to go from JFK to LAX.......BOOM!! all over the midwest
 

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I've been following Aerion's development for years now.

Their plan has always been to have an airplane that is efficient transonic (.95-1.02 ish) for overland flight and then pump up to about 1.4-1.6 overwater so that they won't have to rely on the law being changed. Other manufacturers (Gulfstream, Dassault) have proceeded on the notion of "silencing" the sonic boom and then they'll magically get Congress to change the law. With the overwhelming and undue influence the environmental lobby has in Congress, keep dreaming. They'll NEVER change the law. Especially to benefit Mr. Moneybags. Way bad P.R.

I've always thought Aerion's approach was the more realistic. By keeping max speed under 1.6M means no exotic materials and off the shelf engines (Pratt -219's if memory serves). The only problem is, given the current economic environment, limited availability of credit, etc., I think it is now much less likely that they can find a risk-sharing OEM to launch the program anytime soon, if ever which is a shame. Although Gulfstream continues to research boom-reduction technology, I don't think they have any plans to build an SSBJ and are concentrating instead on the 650.
 

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I thought you were going to drop some right now good news on the frac industry.:( But it is pretty to look at, and I have no doubt that it will come to the fracs.
 

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I've been following Aerion's development for years now.

Their plan has always been to have an airplane that is efficient transonic (.95-1.02 ish) for overland flight and then pump up to about 1.4-1.6 overwater so that they won't have to rely on the law being changed. Other manufacturers (Gulfstream, Dassault) have proceeded on the notion of "silencing" the sonic boom and then they'll magically get Congress to change the law. With the overwhelming and undue influence the environmental lobby has in Congress, keep dreaming. They'll NEVER change the law. Especially to benefit Mr. Moneybags. Way bad P.R.

I've always thought Aerion's approach was the more realistic. By keeping max speed under 1.6M means no exotic materials and off the shelf engines (Pratt -219's if memory serves). The only problem is, given the current economic environment, limited availability of credit, etc., I think it is now much less likely that they can find a risk-sharing OEM to launch the program anytime soon, if ever which is a shame. Although Gulfstream continues to research boom-reduction technology, I don't think they have any plans to build an SSBJ and are concentrating instead on the 650.
Cool.....I did not know that about the making it efficient transonic and still go supersonic for over water.

I agree the Gulfstream will probably concentrate on the 650. Probably will be more of a market for that, on a short term outlook anyway.
 

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Alright!!!!!

Teterborough to London to Teterborough to the hotel!

10 hour turn,

Teterborought to London to Teterborough. To the hotel!!!!

You get the picture!!!!

Plenty of guys will bid it I'll bet!

Have fun guys!
 

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How many people use a G550 for domestic use versus international?
Enough that they could have bought a nice big King Air by now to fly from IAD to TEB in.

Sometimes its hard to watch the waste...
 

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Enough that they could have bought a nice big King Air by now to fly from IAD to TEB in.

Sometimes its hard to watch the waste...
True enough, but you know they can't win their friiedly pissing contest when you pull up in a King Air.
 

On Your Six

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Teterborough to London to Teterborough to the hotel!

10 hour turn,

Teterborought to London to Teterborough. To the hotel!!!!

You get the picture!!!!

Plenty of guys will bid it I'll bet!

Have fun guys!
Do you think the politicians would ever allow that thing to land at TEB? Have fun at Newburgh. Probably would get quite a few flights to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
 

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Hell Six, I don't know!

Do you think the politicians would ever allow that thing to land at TEB? Have fun at Newburgh. Probably would get quite a few flights to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.


I was just making a joke!

Just as sure as woman and Bass like "shiny things", men like fast things with buttons!!!!!!
 

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Do you think the politicians would ever allow that thing to land at TEB? Have fun at Newburgh. Probably would get quite a few flights to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

IF it gets built (which I now doubt, at least for the next 8 or 10 years), and IF it comes in under 100,000 pounds gross weight, and IF it makes Stage III noise limits, they can't exclude the airplane from Teetertotter.
 
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