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[iahawkeye]

I am glad to hear that you have a contingence plan. I have been in love with flying my whole life. Ever since I went on my first flight when I was 4 I have wanted to be an airline pilot. I went to college, instructed, managed two different flight schools, went thousands in debt, and then came to the realization that the airlines were not for me. It helps that I have lived with many airline pilots over the years to learn what the life was about before I actually got there. I don’t want to sound like I am trying to detour you from your dreams, I have great friends at 6 different regionals, and many of them are happy, and successful. Instead I want to emphasize to those of you who still have some control of your education, or direction to have a back up plan. Life can change rapidly, and it is ignorant to be unprepared.

 

[flighttime]

I didn't get the impression that CFII was going to drop out of college from his original post. Just people jumping to the conclusion. If he's on an academic scholarship then i bet he's smart enough to stay and finish up that last year.

Iahawkeye

how'd the hawks look on saturday. Hopefully they'll have a good season. Also what happened to Tate?

 

[iahawkeye]

Yeah, I don't think that he was either, but just gave me a chance to get my .02 cents in for some of the college boys who are reading. As for the Hawks, I unfortunatley was unable to see the game. I now live in MKE and have to deal with all these darn badger fans. Not sure how the season will go yet, I will hold off with my opinion untill we play a good team. As for Tate, I think it was just dehydration and cramps.

 

[pilotyip]

no college comments

I am taking a break from the college degree thing until October 27th, nothing new to post. However if CFII wants to get all sides and all rants and raves, he can do a search under College or pilotyip and get all of the gory details.

 

[BoilerUP]

THEY are they reason that regional FO pay sucks and they will gladly accept it.

Incorrect. Collective barganing is the reason FO pay sucks. If NCs and union leaderships would refuse TAs that include crappy FO pay scales, and the upper 51% would refuse to screw the bottom 49%, then we wouldn't have this problem. Somehow most pilots that b!tch about FO pay forget this little tidbit. Remember, we as pilots are only worth what we negotiate, and not a penny more.

How much does a 50 seat RJ FO deserve, in my opinion? 30, 35, 40, 45, 49, 52 in consecutive years, with a 75hr/mo guarantee. I'm sure this number is too high to some, and too low for many, but I think its a fair, realistic, economically viable wage. If anybody can negotiate more, then more power to you.

I'm sure some out there will disagree with me on one more both points, and that is your right. But as long as unions allow the airlines to get away with paying slum wages during that first probationary year, this will never end.

My $.02

 

[wil]

CFII- With your attitude you have the world by the ball$!! And, with your time you are way ahead of the curve!! As a fellow PoliSci Grad I commend your studies!!
A job at the Regionals is conducive to further studies when you get off reserve! Most ABA approved Law schools don't have a work hours cap on their night programs (ABA is 15 hours a week I think). And, if you love the state you are in you could go to a non-approved ABA school that limites you to practice in your state of residence (they can be very understanding of busy work schedules).
Just to give you an idea, as a junior Captain I never get weekends off (which is really BS anyway). But I can hold a Nap-line that starts Friday night, home Sat morning, Saturday night ends Sunday morning and Sunday night ends Monday morning. So I get the rest of Monday off, Tuesday off, Wednesday off and back to work Thursday night. And the schedule repeats three on two off. So you can do school if you want.
I wish you all the best in your endevours! Cheers, Wil

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

2 more prime examples as to why Regional FO's will never make $hit. These guys will take the 1st offer that comes along that involves wearing a uniform and having jumpseat privledges. They wont give a rats a$$ what the pay is. THEY are they reason that regional FO pay sucks and they will gladly accept it. Then, after a year or so and the novility wears off they will start pi$$ing and moaning about how grossly under paid they are!

Lequip,

Why all the anger? Did your parents abuse you? Do you keep getting dumped? Seriously Dude, you should think about getting into a group or something. It's only an unimportant little forum....take a deep breath..........now step back from your computer...................there is life outside of flightinfo..........now go find yours.

 

[contract2002]

2 more prime examples as to why Regional FO's will never make $hit. These guys will take the 1st offer that comes along that involves wearing a uniform and having jumpseat privledges. They wont give a rats a$$ what the pay is. THEY are they reason that regional FO pay sucks and they will gladly accept it. Then, after a year or so and the novility wears off they will start pi$$ing and moaning about how grossly under paid they are!

Bitchface,

did you actually SEE the payrates that JetBlue put up for the EMB190?

Oh, and how about those AWESEOME A320 payrates?

Talk about taking the first offer to wear a uniform and have jumpseat priveliges - YOU are the reason that A320 and EMB190 pay sucks.

Ok, you can put your face back up Neeleman's a$$, bitchface.

Love,
Contract2002

 

[pilotyip]

Jet Blue pay is great!!

Check the threads on JB pay, guys who have been there 5 years are making $170K per year. Is anyone working anywhere else making that money?

 

[BoilerUP]

Check the threads on JB pay, guys who have been there 5 years are making $170K per year. Is anyone working anywhere else making that money?

Jetblue pay is great, for those who took a leap of faith in a startup airline with low pay but big stock options. Flash forward a few years...those who started at Jetblue as Jetblue started were CAs within 12-16 months. The startup is now a media darling and popular with passengers, with its stock trading at such a value where those options are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Yeah, if you were hired at Jetblue in its first 18 months, you are doing EXTREMELY well for yourself. For those hired in the last six months, they could potentially be E190, if not A320 CAs within 12 months or less. For those hired today, or in the next year, only time will tell...

 

[CFII]

CFII- With your attitude you have the world by the ball$!! And, with your time you are way ahead of the curve!! As a fellow PoliSci Grad I commend your studies!!
A job at the Regionals is conducive to further studies when you get off reserve! Most ABA approved Law schools don't have a work hours cap on their night programs (ABA is 15 hours a week I think). And, if you love the state you are in you could go to a non-approved ABA school that limites you to practice in your state of residence (they can be very understanding of busy work schedules).
Just to give you an idea, as a junior Captain I never get weekends off (which is really BS anyway). But I can hold a Nap-line that starts Friday night, home Sat morning, Saturday night ends Sunday morning and Sunday night ends Monday morning. So I get the rest of Monday off, Tuesday off, Wednesday off and back to work Thursday night. And the schedule repeats three on two off. So you can do school if you want.
I wish you all the best in your endevours! Cheers, Wil

Wil,
Thanks for the insight. That sounds encouraging. I really do want to get my law degree eventually, whether I ever apply it to a job or not. More of a backup plan and a learning experience. I appreciate the info!!!

 

[jumppilot]

I am glad to hear that you have a contingence plan. I have been in love with flying my whole life. Ever since I went on my first flight when I was 4 I have wanted to be an airline pilot. I went to college, instructed, managed two different flight schools, went thousands in debt, and then came to the realization that the airlines were not for me. It helps that I have lived with many airline pilots over the years to learn what the life was about before I actually got there. I don’t want to sound like I am trying to detour you from your dreams, I have great friends at 6 different regionals, and many of them are happy, and successful. Instead I want to emphasize to those of you who still have some control of your education, or direction to have a back up plan. Life can change rapidly, and it is ignorant to be unprepared.

Good post, and so very true.