New FAA Rest Rules may be back on track

[list2002]

Continental doesn't...

 

[waveflyer]

No one does-
Under current regs 'transportation local in nature' counts as free from duty

 

[densoo]

No one does-
Under current regs 'transportation local in nature' counts as free from duty

doesn't united have 10 hours behind the door?

 

[Raoul Duke]

transcon turns will be a nice payday!

 

[waveflyer]

Contractual is different than regs-
Big players can make things happen and expend negotiating capital on safety and rest, instead of using that capital on $$ items. But the smaller carriers will always have scheduled reduced rest as long as it's legal and will be pressured to work fatigued.

 

[densoo]

the smaller carriers will always have scheduled reduced rest as long as it's legal and will be pressured to work fatigued.

And that's why the work is being outsourced. FAA rules that prevent the rest abuse may make outsourcing of labor less cost effective, thus causing some of the flying to return to the major carrier, thus getting some jobs for those who have been on the bottom for too long.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I can't remember the last time I had an overnight of less than 9 hrs. So the only way this would be an improvement is if it is as has been stated: hotel check in to airport show time. Otherwise its the same old pig, different lipstick.

Needs to be check-in to check out. This "transportation, local in nature" doesn't seem to account for the growing trend of shuttles that ONLY leave at 30 minute intervals. At some airports, you might have to leave the hotel more than an hour before show time, because of length of drive, airport layout, security, etc.

 

[densoo]

Needs to be check-in to check out. This "transportation, local in nature" doesn't seem to account for the growing trend of shuttles that ONLY leave at 30 minute intervals. At some airports, you might have to leave the hotel more than an hour before show time, because of length of drive, airport layout, security, etc.

I totally agree. Let's define rest as rest. Check-in to check-out, whatever time they come up with, that becomes a sterile period. No transportation, no security, no duties, nothing in that period. Even if they made this sterile period only 8 hours at least it would be a fence around rest that no one could waive, touch, infringe upon, no matter what irregular operation du jour is going on. It would be the Whitlow Rule.

 

[CA1900]

Exactly. When a cost (unavailability for duty) is attached, airlines won't be so quick to pick a hotel 29 minutes away to save $8 a night, while they steal an hour of the crew's rest (round-trip) in the process.

 

[densoo]

Exactly. When a cost (unavailability for duty) is attached, airlines won't be so quick to pick a hotel 29 minutes away to save $8 a night, while they steal an hour of the crew's rest (round-trip) in the process.

Geez, louise, you hit the nail on the head on that one.